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How red are these flags?

395 replies

OBlimey · 15/06/2011 09:02

Just started dating someone again after some time on my own after end of a long term relationship.

Met someone a few months ago, but having a few doubts/niggles and not sure if I am being paranoid.

These are the issues...

  • Divorced twice at 42, possible cheating on his part, both marriages a few years only
  • Starting to talk about children on third date
  • Blows hot and cold
  • Hates making plans in advance but likes me to be around with little notice
  • Any disagreement means silent treatment
  • Caught him out in a few lies, not even big ones but there was just no need?
  • Likes to big himself up? Not sure why, and appear more well to do than he is?
  • Seems to like being in control if that makes sense

Other silly things but I am getting very wary!

Other than that a great guy but reading these boards I am getting jittery

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InLimboAgain · 07/07/2011 07:10

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piranhamorgana · 07/07/2011 08:12

Have been lurking all the way through and want to add another voice to all the posters urging you to listen and run.

Yes ,it is very difficult to believe.A lot of us here who have experienced a man like this would perhaps have responded as you are doing ,if the truth were explained to us at the start....during the intense seduction/conditioning phase...

I am posting in honour of the woman I was when I met xp.I so truly believed in the hook of my being the only one he had ever loved..only one who could save him...we shared something secret and powerful...a deep,intense connection...
Of course,we split up after a short time..then again ..then again (all within a few early weeks) all confirming,reinforcing that this was indeed destiny and meant to be....He wanted babies,marriage too....

Of course,he was utterly textbook.But I was so convinced of the "true connection" that I rationalised and ignored and forgave as he got slowly worse.I denied any of that to my friends,preferring to give them the romantic version,helping to keep me believing.
He had times when he would show "insight and understanding" into his "problems".We went to couples therapy,he started psychotherapy.He was such an "injured soul" ...all of which made me more determined to hold on and be his "saviour".

I,too,posted on here and then went back to him,convinced it would be different with me.His therapist had me convinced for a good few months that he wasn't an abuser,but was spirited and a survivor...she thought we were great for each other.

Eventually,he became very violent...that was 3 years on ,and I was pregnant.I had to involve the police and Womens' Aid. We have no contact at all now.I didn't tell anyone the truth until a few months ago.

All the warning signs were there from the start,but I had no idea.I really believed in the "true love" stuff.I thought I'd found "the one".

Would I have listened? Probably not.

But when I look back at the hopeful,trusting woman I was then,from the perspective of the cynical,un-trusting woman I am now..I want to turn back time and whisk myself away.Actually,make that batter him to the ground then walk proudly away!

The most difficult part for me,has been to recognise that what I thought I had was not real.And that the way forward,out of my pain and away from the risk that I would fall for it all over again,in another shape or form,is to sort out my own head.Therapy again.And loads of MN.

Not sure if this long post is helpful.Maybe it won't be until you've learnt the hard way,and you come back to read this again,or to post,from your own new perspective.
I hope you will be ok.

buzzsore · 07/07/2011 09:03

This makes depressing reading, oblimey.

Why is a man who is (as you say yourself) odd and a twat sometimes good enough? The highs are great, but the lows are extreme as well. Love shouldn't hurt.

LonelyLinda · 07/07/2011 11:27

She is deaf, dumb and blind. Past helping i'm afraid. If she's read any of this let alone all of it and still got back with him then there is no helping her.

pickgo · 07/07/2011 12:27

PiranhnaM - I too was thinking about why I'm still posting last night when OB probably is condemned to going through this and finding out for herself the hard way.
And it is about wanting to save my 10 year ago self all that doubt/confusion and pain, misery, depression and sheer waste of life that happened. Wish I'd known about Mn then (and that it existed!). But would I have listened? Not sure.
But reading posts in Relationships section is an education whether you are aware you are learning or not. So perhaps I could have seen the light then.

Know what you mean about letting go of the 'illusion' too. I thought I was going mad to have such a brain shift, it was like a nightmare. Most of my life was acting out this great 'romantic' lie, while all the time deep inside I felt like I was watching a totally different person. My only redeeming thing was my work. I was so determined to keep working I'd literally be working away with great sobs and tears streaming down my face. I don't know how I did it now.

Feeling a bit flat today (off work) and it's doing me good to remember how far I've come in the last year and a half.

OBlimey · 21/08/2011 18:51

Hello All,

He did come back with a vengence, immediately started messing me around again.

When I realised how unhappy he was making me again I cut him off.

He may or may not come back again, but he is v bad for my mental health so
needs to FO, not as harmless as I thought.

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slightlyoversharing · 21/08/2011 18:55

Jesus woman we TOLD you and you didn't listen.

And you won't be listening again in a week when he's phoning you being all matey matey again

buzzsore · 21/08/2011 18:57

Sorry he messed you around.

I'm glad you've got rid of him and that you're seeing how bad he is for you; now you have to close that window in your mind/life where you think he may or may not come back, as though you've no say in the matter. You do.

OBlimey · 21/08/2011 18:59

Nope it has sunk in, when I found myself crying again 2 weeks ago I threw in the towel.

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OBlimey · 21/08/2011 19:01

Thanks Buzz

Told him just over a week ago I didn't want to stay in touch at all.

He then emailed on friday so I replied please never contact me again.

Enough is enough is enough

Have deleted all online prescence eg facebook, linkedin etc and keeping a low profile

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Lovingsinglelife · 21/08/2011 19:09

Oblimey - some of us have to learn the hard way, sounds like you have, he isn't going to change, can reccomend a book called 'how to spot a dangerous man' by Susan someone, it's really good. Just take it one day at a time, don't contact him and don't respond to any contact from him and it will get better in time.

OBlimey · 21/08/2011 19:39

I agree, he won't change ever. He doesn't think he needs to.

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pickgo · 21/08/2011 19:59

What happened OB?

OBlimey · 21/08/2011 20:05

Lol nothing that hasn't happened before, I think it was all about control with him, get me back then back to old tricks

I just had enough of it

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pickgo · 21/08/2011 20:13

Oh well good for you that you did something about it.... takes some people years

Did you ever get that book that everyone recommended - 'Why Does He Do That? Lundy Bancroft? I haven't read it yet but everyone says its really good and might help with avoiding the same sort of tosser bloke in future. I'm not goin to see anyone again until I've read that book and feel like I really trust my twat-spotting radar. Grin

boogiewoogie · 21/08/2011 21:09

Yep, exactly as predicted. He is relentlessly pursuing you with the same old emotionally manipulative tricks to hook you in, only to make it 10 times harder for you to escape but at least you've done it.

I'm glad that you've seen the light. Men like him do not change no matter how "remorseful" he is when he emails back to apologise and promises that he'll treat you better.

Keeping a low profile of yourself and responding with silence is good, that communicates a stronger message than any written or verbal message.

Stay strong. Do not feel ashamed of yourself for letting him dupe you. He is the one that's got the problem.

honeyandsalt · 21/08/2011 21:28

Hi OB,

I have just read your thread from the start.... and it was at times like horror movies where the woman always does precisely the wrong thing whilst everyone is screaming at the tv NOOOOOOOOO.... so I am glad you appear to have seen the light. Again. Keep stepping toward the light, yes?

May I ask, are you actually posher than him? He sounds so obsessed with class, I wouldn't be surprised if you're something of a prize to him, a way of carrying on socially climbing for I fear he is a fucking dreadful wannabe. Seriously this whole faux-posh thing is CRINGEWORTHY I mean how embarrassing. And I'm sorry but it's so damn obvious the marriage and kids thing was just to reel you in, you know if you'd been keen as mustard on him always there's no way he's have proposed. It also strikes me that part of the reason he was pulling you back into bed as you tried to go to work was that he doesn't like you going to work i.e. having an independent life. The reason so many ppl suggested contacting the X's is that they could tell you about how the relationship goes - past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour. He just "happened" to pick up two crazy wives? Hmm Not everyone's exes have bad things to say about them. For example, my ex? We were so wrong together it wasn't even true, but it doesn't make him a bad guy, he's very moral, very smart. See?

Anyway, follow the links suggested and do the reading yes?

Seriously, you sound awesome. Someday you are going to meet a great guy and kick yourself for wasting so much emotional energy on Mr "Red flags" Wrong.

Oh btw, read this. For serious.

honeyandsalt · 21/08/2011 21:34

Also, like everyone says, this is a CYCLE. I know it's so hard when you want to understand but seriously just get the IT dept to block him if you really can't (they'll be supportive, no biggie), read the books to get a real handle, and the longer you're away from him, truly, the easier it will become to gain some perspective and build yourself up again.

Be single for a while, you can do it. You sound like a great catch and when someone right, really right comes along you'll know.

OBlimey · 21/08/2011 22:13

HoneyandSalt

Yes he is a desperate wannabe, quite funny, and I suppose by background etc yes I would be considered "posher" than him:-)

He tries far too hard, which always gives him away!!!!!

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honeyandsalt · 21/08/2011 22:44

Heh.

Well no wonder he wanted to have you, you were insecure enough to think his behaviour was somehow normal or excusable, and yet simultaneously secure enough in some respects that you didn't see his hideous Uriah Heapishness as an issue. And of course having a young, fit, posh girl on his arm would look tremendously good for him and increase his poshity and that is, in fact, what he really seems to care about. Was he ever really in love with you, or with what you represent? With your social value? I sort of think that you're so blinded by your other insecurities that you're not seeing what a huge deal that is to him and really it mings. You're not a tan, linen suit, visit to the Oxford Boat Races, a fucking garden party invitation. Marriage to you could buy him more class that's what he was really into and yes atm I have the Iron Maiden track Run For the Hills in my head Grin.

Double-barrelling your surname and all the rest of it is sort of funny yes, but in an Alan Partridge sort of way because it's really fucking pathetic. You are lovely, and deserve SO MUCH better. Not better as in posher, better as in a better man in themselves.

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