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ValentineBombshell: well it went tits up but thank you

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ValentineBombshell · 10/06/2011 20:36

Hello to anyone who remembers me from, as my name suggests, way back in February. Am a long time MN regular whose H confessed to kissing a colleague at work/an EA.

original thread here

Had to step away from MN for a bit as everything just imploded. Of course he hadn't just kissed her, it was all far more tawdry than that, she'd been giving him blowjobs in carparks.

And now my life reads like a badly scripted soap. Am about to proceed with divorce, distressingly he is still living in the same house as me and the children and he has reached heights (or should that be lows?) of jaw-dropping awfulness.

But I just wanted to come back and say thank you for the wise words that MNers took the time to post, for the support and the tough love, both of value in equal measure. And hopefully back on MN under my usual name xx

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AnyFucker · 12/06/2011 21:39

right, have just read your original thread, and i realise now why I thought I "knew" you

I posted there as peterandreforpm

am so sorry, love x

AnyFucker · 12/06/2011 21:39

cross posted

you got me Smile

peter is under the patio Wink

CarGirl · 12/06/2011 21:43

Well done you!!! Am so glad you are managing to keep your ex contained enough so that he is not destroying your dc, you do indeed rock.

ValentineBombshell · 12/06/2011 21:45

Well the Mners telling me on the original thread that it was all so self-indulgent and it's all about him were right, I just wasn't seeing it or was excusing him as doing important work on himself.

Have no doubt he'll be throwing more spanners in the works. He really did use to be a good man. Am baffled by this stranger now.

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LeQueen · 12/06/2011 22:54

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pickgo · 12/06/2011 22:55

VB you really do need to toughen up here or he's going to take you for a complete ride and you will be left feeling bitter and foolish.
Empty your joint account first thing tomorrow - before he does (he will I promise you).
If you have investments/insurance etc cash it in now - a solicitor will say you can't it's both of yours but you can say you needed to in order to pay off mutual debt (credit card?).
I know he hasn't been violent but you can say you fear he will be and needed to act (change locks) for your own and DCs protection - wise up girl and play dirty before he has the chance to - because he definitely WILL.
Don't for heaven's sake give him a key once you have changed the locks - as soon as he is out and reality hits him he WILL become even more selfish and is quite likely to move back in if it suits him.
If you have things you really care about then give them to a friend to keep for you because he'll take them just because he knows it'll upset you.
I respect you trying to do things amicably for the sake of the DCs but you need a wake up call here - he is going to be utterly selfish and you need to get in first for you and the DCs.
He's fucked up your marriage and your DCs homelife for the rest of their childhoods - time to get mad and even.
I'm ready for a flaming saying these things but it's always the women and kids that suffer in these situations every bloody time - buck the trend!

PeterAndreForPM · 12/06/2011 22:57

yup

pickgo · 12/06/2011 23:02

Oh and PS
If the OW's H is nutcase/alcoholic and doesn't know about their affair taking the DCs there is totally out of the question - get your solicitor on to this immediately. Id suggest access will have to be outside both homes until he's got a suitable place to take them.

Saffysmum · 13/06/2011 01:57

VB - you're doing great, really proud of you. I know how hard this all is, I really do. Tax credits - I know he's still living there, but they will pay them from when you "separate". This can be living in the same house - but apart - i.e. separate sleeping arrangements, etc. They can also be backdated from when you separate, so perhaps from when you started divorce proceedings? You'll have to look into this. They can be quite sizeable, and because of this, they can affect legal aid - (if you have this for your divorce - I don't know how much you've paid or are paying - but your solicitor can advise you). I rang the tax credit office, rather than fill all the forms in, and they sorted them there and then. They were paid from the date he left, and I got my first backdated payment two weeks after I applied, and now they're paid monthly.

You've done the right thing about contact - of course he can't take the kids to spend time with OW; both he and her sound a bit unstable, and then there's her husband to consider. So whilst he should have access, it has to be on your terms for now, and that can be reviewed further down the line.

He can see them, as pickgo says, at a mutually agreed venue - again your solicitor needs to get involved here.

Detaching is hard, but essential. It will give you the upper hand, because you'll be able to get clarity of thought if you see all this from your perspective only. By focusing on you and the kids and your needs, things become clearer. Once you try to get inside his head, and try to work out what he's thinking, it all becomes cloudy and messy. Take this from one who's spent months doing this over the past year or so: you really can't rationalise an irrational person. And you're right - he's like a stranger to you. I was married for over 22 years, and my ex is like a stranger to me. So I just deal with the practicalities, and leave him with the mess he's caused. Think yourself lucky, you don't have to live with him much longer, but he has to live with himself and the aftermath of this, for the rest of his life.

You will move on, and you're already doing so: so keep posting and leaning on all the posters here who can help; focus on what's best for you and the kids - and leave him to it: you don't know yet how OW will feel about him when he's properly available, or about what her husband may do: so anticipate that things could well implode for him, but it's not your problem, it's his. You're moving on. He smashed his marriage into pieces - let him deal with this - on no account try and piece things together for his sake.

Good luck.

Smum99 · 13/06/2011 10:41

I'm sorry that you have had to go through this - you do sound like a fabulous woman and I suspect your ex hasn't appreciated what he has thrown away.OW seems like a nightmare and I suspect I know of someone similar. She is so afraid of being alone that she moves from one relationship to another, including a friend's husband, with each new man she plays the victim. No relationships work out since they are not built on any firm foundations. Your ex will learn this. Whilst this is awful for you to go (major understatement) you will have a better life in the long term.

ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 10:59

LeQueen, your earlier posts resonated so much last time I shied away and then metaphorically came back peeping through my fingers as you were so right. It was hard having him laid bare like that and knowing I was married to such a man. Don't think he was always like that but even his parents have said he isn't worthy. Might miss having someone change the light-bulbs, remove moths and put air in my car tyres but otherwise can't wait to have him off my hands. Escape is how it feels. I know there are days when I'm going to feel low, especially with regards to the children, but am genuinely excited about the future and doing things either for myself or with the children that maybe H would have discouraged or needed cajoling to do.

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ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 11:17

Pickgo, whilst you are right about H's lack of scruple, if he emptied the accounts he will be liable himself for the bills and ruin his credit history - tough if you want to set up home. There is also his parents just waiting in the wings, eager to turn up and work and confront the OW and ruin her reputation (they both work in education, her in a pastoral role) and H knows they only have not done so at my behest. There is always also the threat of telling her husband. The forms arrive this week to put the account solely into my name. So I hope your fears are groundless but I can see, reading about him, where they originate from!

Locks will be changed asap after he goes and will not give him a key. It would not be beyond him to pop back for things he considers his without talking to me first or actually worse using the house if it was known to be empty!

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ajandjjmum · 13/06/2011 11:19

I don't recall and haven't read your other thread Valentine, but you seem to be handling this brilliantly. So glad you have the support of your PIL - good for them, that they can see their son is so clearly at fault. Must be tough on them though.

Good luck in getting everything sorted - and be prepared to be tough.

Your DC will miss having their Dad around, but they've got a wonderful Mum to make up for it.

ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 11:20

Have to dash as dc3 loudly awake but just want to say again thank you for the comments and support, firm talking to and the advice.

(and Saffysmum, you are a star, have arranged to backdate tax credits to point of separation)

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ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 20:45

Have written to my solicitor to go with all the other documents I'm handing in tomorrow to put her fully in the picture and if she thinks arrangements ought to be changed I'm sure she'll tell me, she's pretty no nonsense & works for a recommended and well regarded law firm. When I first saw her I said oh yes we'll both be reasonable and amicable....[wry laughter]

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ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 20:46

My mind is now turning to more serious matters of how to tell the children and what to tell them and when, giving he is leaving 30th June (well that's the date I proposed). Ideally, am assuming we do this together? No idea what to say apart from the approach suggested on many websites of mummy and daddy don't want to live together anymore, daddy will live somewhere else, he will still see you lots and lots, we both love you very much/always.

My plan was that he left on the Thursday when it's my day off but the older two are at school (they are reception age and year 2, just 5 and just 7) so they don't witnesses him leaving. On the Saturday we are travelling up for MIL's birthday party (having changed the locks so can safely leave the house empty) which should provide suitable distraction and then they see him the first time since leaving on the Sunday, giving all a few days to take in the new arrangements. What do you think?

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AnyFucker · 13/06/2011 20:55

what VB said Smile

Saffysmum · 13/06/2011 21:11

Well done VB, you sound stronger by the day. Personally, I think he should tell the kids, with you in the background to answer questions, and reassure. They're young, so they need reiterating and repeating to, that it's not their fault, and he will be there for them, etc. etc. It's hard to play something so huge down, but if you can, try and make it low key - he needs to be together enough to tell them, you need to be firm and caring, without being emotional - not easy, I know. I didn't tell my YS his dad had gone until the following day, because I simply couldn't handle it on the night he went. But I was ok when I told him, and had his big brother there with me. If necessary, you could always let him move out first, tell the kids he's gone away with work, or something, get yourself together, and then tell them when it suits you to. Whatever you do, don't make it harder than it has to be, so follow your instincts. I really feel that your H should be there - I wanted my H to tell our kids, but in the end the coward crept out without saying goodbye to the kids, and my daughters find this unforgiveable. When we told YS we initially told him that dad had gone away for a few days, and when he had got his head around that, we told him that he would be living away from us, but would always be there. This is how we thought he would handle it (when I say we, I mean me and ES - H had gone, with no thought to any of us). You know your kids better than anyone - so you go with the flow, and do what your gut tells you to. Trust in yourself - you're a great mum.

I think timing you've outlined is good. It's never the right time, but I think you're right about the distraction of the party, etc. They'll surprise you, I think - kids are resilient, and they pick up on atmospheres more than we realises - even the little ones.

You're doing well, well done with the tax credits!

Take care hon.

ValentineBombshell · 13/06/2011 21:52

Thanks for the advice again, Saffysmum, am sorry your H was a spineless as mine. There must be a manual they follow. The children are already getting used to H not being here in the evening. For the first time they didn't even ask where he was (as they have been doing if they've not seen him before bedtime). Am going to encourage him to stay out more!

Am not as strong as you make out. Let H borrow my car today (his had a puncture) to get to work and because he said he'd look at that shared house and I really don't want to delay his departure. Well he is still out with my car. Am firmly thinking of billing him to get it valeted given his fondness for using cars as a recreational vehicle. His other car blew up so did cattily suggest his cars are going kaput in protest at being misused. Don't think he was amused to get that text whilst standing at the roadside waiting for the tow truck.

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ValentineBombshell · 27/07/2011 22:38

H left on the 30 June - hooray - after lots of pre-leaving wobbles and dire behaviour from him (house share fell through due his lack of follow up/i found him another one) although it's left me financially really struggling, on top paying for the divorce (am pushing it through as fast as possible) I am keeping fingers crossed that the tax credit people sort through the small tree's worth of documentation I've sent them and pay me soon.

Weirdly, having had total unreasonableness from him, he's switched to being super reasonable and it's really unnerving me and making me cross. He missed seeing the kids for a few days due to some unavoidable commitment he says (OW related) and is now sending messages about missing the kids and 'being there' to support me. He also told a mutual friend he still 'really cared' about me. On hearing that I can just feel the gorge rise and have an uncharacteristic desire to tell him to fuck off. Really can't explain why!

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ValentineBombshell · 27/07/2011 22:53

Oh, plus he's talking about overnights for the older two - they're 5 & 7.

Must admit I'm resistant. He's renting a room in a shared house - doubt he's checked with his housemates, landlord or rental agreement - but is the sort just to go ahead. Kids haven't visited the place yet, nor has he committed to a regular routine for seeing the kids but chops and changes the days he wants to see them to fit in around when he can see the OW (presumably still with her husband). He kept nagging me to go out and let him babysit and on the one occasion I did, I then got a text about how great it was we could be flexible (about him seeing the kids) and I felt that he had manoeuvred it just to prove a point/get one over.

Oh, and he managed somehow to get himself a nasty infection (mysteriously in his groin Hmm) that the GP gave him antibiotics for and said was infectious. Think he said it's cleared up, but have no desire for the dcs to share his double bed!

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mummytime · 28/07/2011 07:12

Did you get checked out at a GUM clinic?
I would get him to agree to a routine, no over nights until he can provide suitable accommodation for the kids (Their own bed at least.) Get everything in black and white, and I wouldn't let him babysit at yours again, pay some nice teenager instead until he has somewhere suitable.

Proudnscary · 28/07/2011 08:19

Hey - wow you've been through the mill my love but just look at you alive and kicking on the other side! Well done.

It's not impossible that H's friend who just happened to tell you H still cares, and his gushing texts are actually him hedging his bets/keeping the possibility of coming back alive because he's just realised the grass ain't greener! He's living in shared accomodation, he and Blow Job Woman have various messy situations such as exes and houses and divorces to deal with PLUS the reality of a relationship that's not based on tawdry exciting snatched oral sex has probably hit home.

Re having the kids stay over the night, I would not want that AT ALL. It's just not appropriate at their age, in a house with other people. I guarantee they will feel unsettled. Can you just say no, what are his rights about this (asking other posters really).

You are very strong and I admire you for all you've achieved x

Allinabinbag · 28/07/2011 10:28

You have done amazingly well. Your husband sounds so typical compared to some I know, crisis, OW, all about him and his needs, won't leave the house, has to be kicked out and once gone, starts to want to come back ('can you be in love with two people at the same time?' - if he starts this, just tell him where to get off!)

You will be the winner in this situation, you already are, as you have two lovely children and are free from his silly mid-life wankery.

GeekCool · 28/07/2011 10:55

I've just read both threads. I think you are incredible VB! Seriously.

I would keep to your contact agreement - which HE signed. No overnights. His accommodation isn't suitable at all and you cannot guarantee he wouldn't introduce them to the OW (she sounds like a catch huh? Hmm )

I hope you are finding time to enjoy your new life, you seriously deserve some happiness and relief.