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have given DP an ultimatum.. stand up for me and not his mother or we are over!

186 replies

fairybubbles · 06/06/2011 11:41

Ive been with my DP for 9 years. We have 2 children aged 4 and 12weeks. i have had endless issues with his mother since we had our first child. She is a very controlling and bitter old lady and has insisted on seeing our DS once a week every week and put up such a carry on about making sure she gets her wishes. Ive never been happy with her demanding behaviour and have had many arguments with my DP about this. He will not stand up to her or his father. DP works full time mon-fri so the only time we get as a family are weekends. I have tried so hard to get on with them and be flexible i am even suggesting sometimes they come here mid-week when DP is at work on the one day our DS is off nursery in the afternoon.
She also tries very hard to divide our family. when she arrives she tells DS she is taking him out for a walk or to play and often im feeding the baby so im not able to go, she doesnt ask me first before saying to DS. The latest argument arose because she and DPs father took it upon themselves to buy a car seat for my DS. I told my DP that I was not happy for DS to go out with them without us there and therefore they did not need to buy this car seat. He refused to acknowledge my concerns. I decided to call his parents i tried to tell them camly that when they come to visit and if we are going out for the day then our children will be traveling in our car as they usually do. She then started shoutin down the phone saying how he is her grandson and she can do what she likes. her husband (DP's father) then took the phon for her and shouted abuse at me saying i should " go F@CK myself" and the call ended

she called back later and i answered. she demanded i let her speak to her son. i said he was busy and to wait as he was holding baby at the time. she screamed at me to get him on the line. i told her to mind her manners when she calls my house. i then heard DP agreeing with her on the phone and saying it was nothing to do with him and he doesnt have a problem. i am disgusted at his lack of respect for me. he then came off the phone and started an agument with me for phoning them. i said this was because he wouldnt listen and i needed to get my point across so i spoke to them myself. DP then shouted at me to "F@CK OFF" in front of our kids and stormed out the house, not returning until midnight.

this all happened on saturday and we havent sorted this out. i wrote him a letter yesterday and said that this was it, i have had enough and if he didnt support me and respect my decisions as a parent and stand up for me, getting his parents to apologise for there absurd behaviour towards me, then i dont see any future for us. we have 2 beautiful children together and we are a little family yet he cant seem to stand up to his maipulative mother. she has had her children and made her decisions and brought them up as she saw fit, why cant she allow us to do the same.

i really dont need this right now< im 12 weeks after giving birth> and still sleep deprived. ive had enough and im not backing down this time.

OP posts:
mistlethrush · 08/06/2011 12:31

Fairy I'm so sorry to hear that.

This might not be the end of things however - some time away from the children and you might make him see some sense.

I personally don't think you've been at all unreasonable - after all, you are suggesting spending 25% of your family time with his parents - that's a significant proportion of time and more than many would want.

Can you get some on-hand support from anyone nearby - your parents?

hayjon · 08/06/2011 13:35

Sorry to hear this, I hope that his being away while make him comes to his senses. Him come to his senses as you are not in the wrong over this. Never forget that.
I do question, however, what kind of man abandons his partner AND a very young child over something like this.
I hope that he comes back, admits he has been an unsupportive idiot and you find a way through this.

If he does not ever come back, then it is my honest opinion that clearly you are not important to him or at least not enough for him to take your opinions seriously. It could be that he is using this argument as an excuse to leave. And I think it would be an excuse because nobody who loves his partner would permanently abandon him/her because of something like this.

Anyway, it is his loss if he doesn't come back. Let him go home to mummy (ut I can bet that she doesn't really want this to happen because it would mean the possibility of not seeing her grandchildren).

I hope you have support on hand nearby and wish you well. Good luck.

allnewtaketwo · 08/06/2011 13:45

Sorry to hear that OP. It's terribly sad that parents can be so controlling and manipulative to the extent that it rules the life and happiness of their child into adulthood

diddl · 08/06/2011 13:46

OMG- I am stunned!

A grown man has chosen mummy over wife & childrenSad.

That said, if his joining with them to insult/swear at you was typical then it´s no loss tbh.

And if it is typical, I´d not want thim having the children unsupervised & certainly not at ILs.

oldwomaninashoe · 08/06/2011 13:51

I am sorry to hear this but fear that the escalation of the situation will give MIL a great sense of her own importance.
I would suggest that if there is a time when she generally turns up during the week, that you are out when that time comes.

I used to have an awful MIL who wouldn't come to our wedding etc, referred to the DC's as "bastards" as DH and I had not been married in a church (therefore our wedding wasn't "real")but I got through it all by being very, in fact overly pleasant to MIL, whilst ignoring everything she said. IT ended up making her look bad because I was so nice Grin

I do hope that you do not permanently split with your DH over this.

hayjon · 08/06/2011 13:54

The more I think about it, the more I think you are better off without him, you've a three-month old child, and he has just left. What an unsupportive b*ard.
As an aside, it stuns me, to be honest, how anybody reading your opening post could think that you are the unreasonable one.

hayjon · 08/06/2011 13:57

It may give her a sense of self-importance, until she realises her nose has been cut off to spite her face. That is, less access to grandchildren. Fairybubbles, I would now keep a diary if I were you; abandoning a three-month old child will not look good on him in the future. Should he Not see sense, you may need to use it and be glad that you kept notes.

diddl · 08/06/2011 14:03

"That is, less access to grandchildren."

Well if he lives with his parents, they could end up seeing more of the GC.

Or even if he doesn´t live with them as he might spend all "access" time there.

SenoritaViva · 08/06/2011 14:05

I cannot believe that he did not expect his parents to apologise for speaking to you like that. Even if you had been rude/behaved badly (please note the if) one would expect an apology from their side. You just don't go around speaking to people like that, at the least it should have been an apology from both sides.

Your husband is behaving like an idiot and not putting his family first. We live too far away from both our parents but neither of us would tolerate spending that much time with our IL's and wouldn't expect it of each other either. He is asking too much of you and not being understanding enough, and this is putting aside the difficulties his parents cause. I really hope that he sees sense and gets his priorities straight.

Miggsie · 08/06/2011 14:11

My dad was under the thumb of his hateful domineering mother all his life and it made a big problem for my mum as he never once stood up to his mum nor backed up my mum when gran was horrible.

Created huge resentment and when my mum was dying she asked my dad "why did you never back me up against your mother, not once?". It was a really difficult moment.
Unfortunately some people never escape their conditioning by parents and cannot see that their parent's behaviour is unacceptable.

So sorry for you OP but you are right to take a stand, or face years of being ground down.

naturalbaby · 08/06/2011 14:11

i'm stunned - after your previous post (he said he still loved you?!) how have things turned back around??
i really hope things work out for you. have you got any other support - family or friends nearby? being on your own with a toddler and baby is no fun (me the other week)

allnewtaketwo · 08/06/2011 14:23

I think this latest turn of events unfortunately proves right those of us who gleaned from the OP that the OP's DH has a toxic relationship with his parents

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/06/2011 15:03

As I stated before your partner was and remains far more afraid of his toxic parents than he is of you.

Fairybubbles; I hope you have enough support in real life as well, you need your own family now.

cornsilks · 08/06/2011 15:14

Sad Poor you OP.

LittleRedRobin · 08/06/2011 15:39

fairy I totally agree with what meerkat says. Having been in a similar situation (FIL) I also know how long it may take your DH to build the courage to finally stand his own ground. There's a life time of control and manipulation to unravel there. With each little step my DH has taken he has learned that the earth doesn't fall off its axis if his father doesn't get his own way. Similarly, his parents have learned that no amount of attempts to control us will work anymore because we're united in our views.

I also think that for all the short-shrift you've been given about your behaviour on this thread (not fair really), it is EQUALLY easy for your MIL to step back just a little and not persist in doing trivial petty things that she KNOWS you don't like. The fact that she does this regardless of potential tensions also says something about me to her, and I think its disrespectuf not just to you, but to her son as well.

It needn't be confrontational and a big deal - unless his parents make it that way. Saying they can visit for a full day once every two weeks is not unreasonable, but if they behave as if it is - which is what he deeply dreads and anticipates - then it has to show you their lack of concern for their son's marriage and I think that speaks volumes about them. There is no way in hell I could cope with a day of every single weekend being taken up by my PIL.

Can you not take some time out and go and stay with friends? If possible, I think you need to leave your DH time to process and consider potential outcomes and weigh up pros and cons on his own.

I genuinely think that if his parents realised HE was serious with what he said to them (rather than that he was being forced to do something by his 'controlling wife', which is probably how they would read their little boy's uncharacteristic 'defiance' towards them') then they'd modify their behaviour too. At the moment there's no need for them to do this because they get to control their own lives, and have free reign in yours and their son's lives.

Why should they change when its all good for them?

And why should your DH confront his issues if he knows you will cave in and make sacrificies along with him?

I have to tell you, my DH is a much happier, more confident, contented man since he finally got on top of his personal demons with his father, but it took us a very long time. We all survived though, and we get along, but with boundaries firmly in place.

Jux · 08/06/2011 15:59

Fairybubbles, I'm so sorry it's come to this. How are you? Do you have any plans for the short term, mid term?

How serious do you think he is? Do you think he may be trying some sort of manipulation, in his turn? Or that he rang them to tell them every other w/e but they talked him into going back to them, possibly to 'show you'.

At least the gps don't have any excuse to turn up at your place any more, and if they do, then simply don't open the door, don't talk to them and if they rap on the window just do some nice la la las and ignore ignore ignore.

I think if he wants to come back, or have any sort of relationship with you you will have to insist on couple counselling first.

Keep posting, Fairy; most of us are concerned and very Sad for you.

LITTLEGEEK · 08/06/2011 16:08

Fairy, sorry to hear how things have turned out. I agree that hopefully some time on his own will make him realise what an idiot he has been and come back. If he does, then counselling may work to help him 'cut the apron strings' and learn to be a supportive partner. Your children are young and should not learn that this behaviour is accetable towards mummy or they may start imitating it. Sending you a big hug.

Mrsdoasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/06/2011 16:14

TBH the reason I hate the term "toxic" is because it defines the whole person when you can have no idea of the inner workings so to speak. I too have to sing happy songs in my head an awful lot, but I also see what a grouch I can be, and how much help my inlaws have given us. I have sworn at DH (though I always apologise as I think swearing is poor form).

So I would say it's a case of the situation is bad, and not made easier by the people in it. I suspect that all parties have some fault in it. I also suspect the OP is least to blame. if for nothing more than being hormonal. She made her DP an ultimatum,he has called her on it. THAT is harsh. He SHOULD have chosen his partner and children, but perhaps he didn't want to cut his parents off, perhaps he thought they should not have sworn, but that it was in anger (spur of the moment), which most people have the capacity for.

Hopefully this can all blow over and the family be restored. I KNOW people can display 'toxic' behaviour, but people are people and they all make mistakes, some will admit to these and others not. The whole "well aren't I so good not to be toxic" thing is risky... we all risk being called it one day when people disagree with us and we stand our ground... ;-).

I just hope tempers and emotions can be smoothed, and that a compromise can be reached... even if it reguires OP to staple a photo of the inlaws to a secret dart board (I prefer the happy songs in my head).

dittany · 08/06/2011 16:23

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exhausted2011 · 08/06/2011 16:25

I'm sorry it's turned out this way.
He has a chat with you and agrees they need to apologise and then obviously gets his mind changed by his mother!

I'm going to try and add my bit.
My own mother is like this and it has caused a lot of friction with my DH.
I can tell you right now that SHE DOES NOT DO IT OUT OF ANY KIND OF MALICE
She genuinely thinks she has our best interests at heart.
I can see how it is interfering, and bossy, and opininated and I have learnt how to deal with it because I love my mother and she loves me
My DH doesn't like her because of this, which then leads to more and more resentment, which is what I think you are feeling about your MIL
I have refused to talk to my mother directly about this, mainly because she would be mortified to think that she is doing anything wrong and I know it would cause a lot of bad feeling.
Instead, I stand firm and say e.g "no chocolate before dinner" and now she recognises those rules, bit by bit
I know full well that the moment my back is turned she will sneak him a bit of chocolate, and I don't care. I know 100% that she will look after him to the very best of her ability. And I trust her implicitly. She loves him.

I have talked about this to my husband and he understands now.
Ultimately I trust my mother with my son's life.
And he might feel the same, his mother has brought him up, he knows what his upbringing was like

It is definitely a case of losing a bit of control, and that is extremely difficult for a mother who has her child's safety and well being very close to her heart.

The examples you have given, have not been that condemning. I think the swearing is completely out of order, and I would insist on an apology for that, but I am sure it is driven from their frustration. I am sure there are a million other instances, but from the examples you have given they don't sound that bad.

I was going to urge you to sort things out with the MIL, but with the latest turn of events, that might prove difficult.

If you really want it to work, if you haven't given up on your spineless DH, I would suggest you get someone neutral to look after the children, and sit down and discuss it all together.

You are going to have to have a relationship with her in any case, so you need to set some ground rules.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/06/2011 16:44

Some people may hate the term "Toxic" but many such people who state such things have fortunately come from families where this type of familial dysfunction is totally unknown to them. It is therefore not a concept that is familiar to them.

The phrase "toxic parent" was coined to describe parents whose own negative behaviour grossly inflicts emotional damage and damage's their children's sense of self.

This means parents who abuse their children verbally, physically and/or sexually, as well as parents who are inadequate or ignore their children's emotional needs. Sometimes these patterns are so established they continue into adulthood, and often are either not recognized or addressed.

There are some toxic parents whose consistently negative patterns of parenting leave a legacy of guilt and shame within their children, and worse still there are parents whose outright cruelty would be considered illegal if exhibited toward animals, let alone their own children. Many children now adults of such parents have fear, obligation and guilt.

People have talked about her man's parents apologising; that is not going to happen. Toxic parents do not take any responsibility for their actions not apologise for their behaviour.

Where do parents like this learn these despicable patterns of behaviour?

Yes, you are quite right! Usually from their own parents, who in turn, learned it from theirs. However, few people make the connection between their parent's parenting style and their own emotional problems. Often, these emotional difficulties only become apparent to them as they become parents themselves.

As parents we all make mistakes.

Parenting is a constantly steep learning curve, requiring enormous amounts of patience and determination through some very traumatic times. Indeed, parents often acknowledge raising a family as the most stressful occupation ever.

The following is particularly for fairybubbles man:-
Sometimes the most difficult part about parenting is recognizing that our questionable behaviour is due to the negative influences of our parents on us, especially if we are conditioned never to criticise or to see faults in our parents.

Mrsdoasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/06/2011 17:27

I still don't define a whole person by a concept....

BECAUSE my childhood was VERY toxic... and I am messing up my own kids...

WHy... because there is no such thing as perfection... which you do mention... but perhaps 'toxic' people simply cannot see that their behaviour is wrong, or because we all have something "toxic" in all of us...

The whole concept of toxic is quite frankly... TOXIC

Because it doesn't take away pain, it DOESN'T change things and it never makes a situation less toxic...

Singing happy songs in my head deals with toxic waste... that and the SCARY concept that "I" am not perfect either.

I find it a smug concept I suppose, and "may" have over reacted a bit... perhaps I am toxic cause my childhood was? Tho am scared to admit it cos I don't want to upset my mum. On the other hand, I have a tendency to over apologise, so who knows.

I just think "balance" will help Fairybubbles". So branding people will help short term, but such polarity won't help long term.

Again... sorry for the rant... think it was the suggestion people who don't like the term, never experienced it... ;-)

Mrsdoasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/06/2011 17:33

LOL... erm post in haste and repent at leisure....

I am sure I am making misakes like my parents, such as getting ratty with my kids and wanting them to leave me alone sometimes... I am aware of this fault however...

And I agree as to people never apologising. My dad never will... it was always someone elses fault. BUT what helped me to 'deal' with him was understanding this and then carrying on. I.e by being wary of my emotional investment. This is what I would recommend to OP. Her partner is understandably licking his wounds right now, he is unreasonable, but understandable given the ultimatum offered to him. Hopefully it will all pan out ok.

LiverpoolLeap · 08/06/2011 17:46

Oh, fairy, I'm so sorry it's turned out this way. It's incredible he's walked out on you like this, with a 3-month-old baby as well, it's like he's 12 years old or something, with no sense of priorities or responsibility.

I really think you should find yourself a lawyer, make sure that he can't drain a joint account - because his behaviour sounds like it's shocked even you. I wouldn't want you to be in for any more nasty shocks.

So, so sorry it's turned out like this.

LiverpoolLeap · 08/06/2011 17:51

I should stress I'm not trying to push for a split, I'm just worried about what his horrible parents are telling him right now. It seems he'll do whatever they tell him, and they don't like you. And they want your children.

So go get some legal advice.

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