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have given DP an ultimatum.. stand up for me and not his mother or we are over!

186 replies

fairybubbles · 06/06/2011 11:41

Ive been with my DP for 9 years. We have 2 children aged 4 and 12weeks. i have had endless issues with his mother since we had our first child. She is a very controlling and bitter old lady and has insisted on seeing our DS once a week every week and put up such a carry on about making sure she gets her wishes. Ive never been happy with her demanding behaviour and have had many arguments with my DP about this. He will not stand up to her or his father. DP works full time mon-fri so the only time we get as a family are weekends. I have tried so hard to get on with them and be flexible i am even suggesting sometimes they come here mid-week when DP is at work on the one day our DS is off nursery in the afternoon.
She also tries very hard to divide our family. when she arrives she tells DS she is taking him out for a walk or to play and often im feeding the baby so im not able to go, she doesnt ask me first before saying to DS. The latest argument arose because she and DPs father took it upon themselves to buy a car seat for my DS. I told my DP that I was not happy for DS to go out with them without us there and therefore they did not need to buy this car seat. He refused to acknowledge my concerns. I decided to call his parents i tried to tell them camly that when they come to visit and if we are going out for the day then our children will be traveling in our car as they usually do. She then started shoutin down the phone saying how he is her grandson and she can do what she likes. her husband (DP's father) then took the phon for her and shouted abuse at me saying i should " go F@CK myself" and the call ended

she called back later and i answered. she demanded i let her speak to her son. i said he was busy and to wait as he was holding baby at the time. she screamed at me to get him on the line. i told her to mind her manners when she calls my house. i then heard DP agreeing with her on the phone and saying it was nothing to do with him and he doesnt have a problem. i am disgusted at his lack of respect for me. he then came off the phone and started an agument with me for phoning them. i said this was because he wouldnt listen and i needed to get my point across so i spoke to them myself. DP then shouted at me to "F@CK OFF" in front of our kids and stormed out the house, not returning until midnight.

this all happened on saturday and we havent sorted this out. i wrote him a letter yesterday and said that this was it, i have had enough and if he didnt support me and respect my decisions as a parent and stand up for me, getting his parents to apologise for there absurd behaviour towards me, then i dont see any future for us. we have 2 beautiful children together and we are a little family yet he cant seem to stand up to his maipulative mother. she has had her children and made her decisions and brought them up as she saw fit, why cant she allow us to do the same.

i really dont need this right now< im 12 weeks after giving birth> and still sleep deprived. ive had enough and im not backing down this time.

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MrsCampbellBlack · 06/06/2011 20:23

God - you poor thing.

I love my in-laws but wouldn't want to be forced into spending a day a week with them.

But thats because my mil is generally very sensitive and defers to me whenever necessary - she's clever like that Wink

I can't believe some of these replies - I mean your fil told you to fuck-off and that seems to be glossed over.

Honestly - I would tell your DH you won't be apologising but that this is a hard time for you - sleep deprived/new baby and not the best time to make big decisions.

Perhaps for the next few weeks he could go and see the in-laws without you at the weekend and give you a bit of time to think things through.

Good luck.

Portofino · 06/06/2011 20:27

I think I would be interested to know exactly what you said when you phoned to discuss the car seat that got them so riled up.

defineme · 06/06/2011 20:28

I would write a letter explaining that having had 3 people tell me to fuck off today that that's what I'm doing and I'm going to my Mum's for a break with the kids. Leave out the stuff about yoghurt and car seats, but include the stuff about trying to meet them half way with midweek visits and why doesn't he take them over everyu other week for an afternoon?

Explain how devestating it felt to be told to fuck off by 3 people and that you're expecting an apology.

atswimtwolengths · 06/06/2011 20:43

Your husband has a nerve saying that to you.

He sounds as though he's a chip off the old block - rude and domineering.

You should NOT apologise. You should insist that HE apologises to you and that his mother does too.

What a bloody nerve he has.

shesgotherlipstickon · 06/06/2011 20:53

Well it's one side of the story, BUT, I can tell from your posts, manner, and your points. That I honestly think, the car was the last straw and probably caused the PIL's in law to snap.

Honestly, you sound like a nightmare and very precious, I think they have probably just lost their patience. If people are going to throw around words like toxic, I don't think it should be aimed at the inlaws.

You just seem to want to put obstacles in their way, snooty if people bring this up and it might actually be you. It's the whole attitude.

I think some people are projecting their own experiences in this thread. I read it as inlaws, snap and swear due to your precious attitude. It would be interesting to hear it from their POV tbh...........I bet people would rethink.

Also here, by giving an ultimatum, I think you've scored an own goal. When you break up, ultimatums always mean when not if, he can take them there half the week anyway if he goes for JC.

Ormirian · 06/06/2011 20:58

But how does she insist that he apologises? Obviously DH feels just as strongly as the op. So insisting isn't going to help.

MrsCampbellBlack · 06/06/2011 21:12

I certainly haven't projected and I tend to always feel for the mil as have 2 boys but seriously they told her to fuck-off.

And being a bit precious about car-seats is fine in my opinion as many older people are a bit lax about them in my experience.

squeakytoy · 06/06/2011 21:19

The Op may not have actually said the words "fuck yourself" to the MIL but as we dont know exactly what she did say to her, we dont know if it warrants the reply she got or not.

It is possible to be extremely rude to someone without swearing.. and get a deserved "fuck you" back.

MrsCampbellBlack · 06/06/2011 21:23

Seriously would all of you so eager to defend the mil welcome having them visit for a whole day every week - really?

As I've said I like my in-laws but I'd have found this suffocating really.

And its not hard to not tell someone to fuck off - lordy I manage to not tell people to fuck off all the time Wink

squeakytoy · 06/06/2011 21:30

I would happily have my mum to visit for a day every week, or my MIL, and that is the same difference really. Each woman is an equal grandparent and parent of one partner in a relationship.

I do have a great relationship with my own MIL, so I know I am very lucky, but I am of the opinion that women who have brought up children before me, who have lived healthily into adulthood, possibly have as much if not more experience and skills at childrearing than I have, and am willing to listen and either take on board their advice, or simply politely ignore it and carry on if I feel I would rather do it my way. Not take umbrage and turn things into a war.

allnewtaketwo · 06/06/2011 21:39

"I read it as inlaws, snap and swear due to your precious attitude. It would be interesting to hear it from their POV tbh...........I bet people would rethink"

Any adult who resorts to swearing to get their point across to their DIL imo is by definition unreasonable and does not know how to behave appropriately

It sounds to me like the OP's DH is so used to his domineering parents that he no longer thinks to question anything they do

OP am very Sad for you. Hope you have someone to support you in RL

fozzy26 · 06/06/2011 21:43

OP - Just bear in mind that you may well be a MIL one day. Think how you will feel if your future daughter in law doesn't want you to see your grandchild every week. How you will feel if you are not allowed to take your grandchild out by yourself because you can't be trusted. How you would feel if your son was put in a position to choose between you and his wife.

MrsCampbellBlack · 06/06/2011 21:45

Yes and do remember not tell dil to fuck off Hmm

Seriously a lot of us will be mils at some point and I won't be insisting on spending a day a week with my gc's - its the insisting part which is just so annoying surely.

HidingInTheUndergrowth · 06/06/2011 21:52

I really do quite like my mils but The idea of seeing them for a whole day every weekend is just too much to contemplate and I can't see how this can be cosidered norm when the op is clearly not happy with it. If her parents also insisted on coming round for a whole day every weekend then they would have no time together as a couple at all.

And if my mils spoke to me like that on the phone they most certainly would not be getting an apology!

allnewtaketwo · 06/06/2011 21:58

"OP - Just bear in mind that you may well be a MIL one day. Think how you will feel if your future daughter in law doesn't want you to see your grandchild every week"

Having now had 2 MILs Grin - lucky me, I can now say, hand on heart, that I will never, ever, expect any future DIL to have to see me every week just because I think my wishes are more important than hers. Especially if I tell her to fuck off just because she disagrees with me on something Hmm

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 06/06/2011 22:03

shesgotherlipstickon - I'm sorry but the in-laws have nothing to get fed up with so it is the last straw and they are allowed to blow up! I'm sorry it is no one's business what car seat I get for my child. Are you happy for various family members to choose your clothes, car, make up, food you eat? The same goes for your child's car seat, pram, jacket the wear? Really?

Caterpillar2Butterfly · 06/06/2011 22:03

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RCToday · 06/06/2011 22:06

This is a very sad thread

OP I feel for you, it must be very difficult to feel the decisions you make for your DC are not being respected

I think you need to try and get DH to realise that his family is now you and the DC's

Good luck

allnewtaketwo · 06/06/2011 22:07

"And it seems that the dp has no opinion at all and doesnt wish to make any decision about these things and thats why the op has had to take the lead in making these decisions herself. Hes just going along with what his mother says for an easy life, but like other posters have said his loyalty should lie with his wife"

caterpillar has articulated very well why people have come to the conclusion that the PILs are controlling and toxic. For a man to roll over to his parents control as an adult is indicative of how his relationship has been with them all his life. And for any adult to willingly exert control over anyone (their children included) is indeed toxic

Jux · 06/06/2011 22:17

Do not apologise, you poor thing.

Do you want to continue a relationship where your ILs tell you to fuck off and then your dh does the same? Where you are undermined by everyone.

Take the kids, go to your mum for a while. Tell dh that when he's apologised for his appalling behaviour and attitude, you will discuss whether you return or not. And that will be contingent on your ILs spending less time at yours, apologise profusely and stop undermining you.

Bummer. So sad for you. What a bunch of shits. It's insupportable.

cerealqueen · 06/06/2011 22:21

OP, I'm with you. You have a young baby and are sleep deprived - your DH should be looking out for you and not using abusive language to you or allowing anybody else to do it either.
These issues may seem like they don't matter much to some on here but after nine years being drip fed this kind of shit I'm not surprise your are ground down with it.
I would not want our family time being shared with the ILs to such an extent. Some agreement needs to be made about that time and your DH should be the one doing it. That would be my priority.

mrscolour · 06/06/2011 22:43

This all sounds very sad! I really feel for you.

Have you spoken to your dp in the past about being uphappy with the amount of time you have to spend with your ILs? If so, has he shown any understanding at all? Where are your family in all this? Are they local? Do they have any feelings about all this?

The issues may all seem quite small but you are having to put up with it all the time. It's easy to ignore if it's once a month but all day, once a week.

Your DP has really got to try and see your point of view on this and you should not be bullied into apologising (3 against one is a bit unfair!). He needs to understand what it is like for you: sleep deprived, hormonal, being manipulated by MIL etc.

Perhaps a bit of distance for a few days (e.g. a stay with your family) might help you both reflect on the situation.

I'm not the best person to advise on saving a marriage as I'm recently separated. When the shit hit the fan in my marriage I took a step back and asked the question "is my marriage worth saving?" I my case it wasn't. Hopefully you will have a better outcome!

babyhammock · 06/06/2011 22:50

Hugs to you OP
Your MIL sounds like a witch and I can't believe how anyone would thing telling you to f**k off is in any way acceptable

fairybubbles · 06/06/2011 23:00

Well we had a long chat tonight after children were both in bed. I explained how I

felt completely undermined by his parents and how if they had more respect for my feelings then maybe my trust in them would grow.we spoke about everything and he apologised for the way he spoke to me. I made it clear that I feel v pressured into these weekly visits and have done for a long time, and how it probably doesn't help that I resent them for taking up so much of our time that we could be spending as a family. I have made clear that I feel we really need to work on getting our relationship back on track and that I will work on building more trust in them but this has to be a 2 way thing and they need to value me as the parent and listen to me. I told him about all the little things, some of them he had no idea about before now. I've made a suggestion that we start seeing them fortnightly. He wasn't sure about this but I said I'd like us to at least try. He said he will think about this. Obviously PILs will not be happy and will be confrontational with him. If he means what he said tonight he will discuss this with them. If not then it will show me for sure that he can't stand up to them even for the sake of his family. All of this lies though on the assumption that I get a full and sincere apology from his father for the way he spoke to me
I just want to enjoy this time I have whilst my baby is little and not be stressed and crying about this. I felt awful about this today. .

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LiverpoolLeap · 06/06/2011 23:09

Really pleased you were both able to speak about this! I think the fortnightly visits will really help a lot, so I hope that works out!

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