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OH being a wimp

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lilysmemo · 16/03/2011 10:01

Ok long winded boring story - but I will just give you the bones. My OH left his wife- for me, we are happy and have a wee one of our own. He usually has to go to her house to see his DD but occasionally he is allowed to take her out. I have only been with him once to drop her off - as we had been to his parents house- which is the other side of her house from ours.
When we got home he got a text from her saying he was not to bring me back to her house again ( I didn't get out of the car). I asked what his reply was- but I know he just ignored it.
It is his DD's birthday this week and he is allowed to have her on Sat- the plan was to take her to his parents for the day- but means I will be in the car when he drops her off.
I said- as a joke, shall I get out and hide behind the hedge when you drop off DD- he said , yes!
I said this was not going to happen - he accused ME of being unreasonable- so now we are not speaking and I have told hiom I am sick of him tip toeing around her- am I wrong here?
I dont want to upset her, I dont know her- but its been 18 months since he left her- how long before I get the respect as his partner that I deserve?

OP posts:
lilysmemo · 16/03/2011 20:02

Queencat- I sympathise with you- and anyone who has been through something similar- as I have myself. What I have not done is judge, you, her or anyone else- who knows what I would do in your situation, or you in mine

OP posts:
lilysmemo · 16/03/2011 20:04

Hawklore- it is not peoples opinions I object to- I have set myself up here,foolishly, its the venom than is being directed at me by people who dont know me.

OP posts:
Hawklore · 16/03/2011 20:07

What I have not done is judge, you...

Y'see Lily, this part right here sounds more than a little bit judgmental of queencat:

and would probably have had lots of support from women who (disgustingly) pee on their ex's partners GF's toothbrush and the like.

Unless I'm reading you wrong?

Portofino · 16/03/2011 20:08

You did a bad, sorry! You were never going to get much sympathy here.

Aislingorla · 16/03/2011 20:09

Please lily, stop posting now and talk to your mum or better still,your soulmate, because you are not getting anywhere here.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 16/03/2011 20:10

Golly Lily, there is so much venom inside you. You can't let it eat you up like this. For your child's sake and for their half-sister's sake. Sad

You have said some very worrying things, like the fact that you only want respect from OH, as 'nobody else matters'. But they do matter. They matter hugely. The respect and love of your OH's little girl matters as she is your step daughter and your own beloved child's half-sister... and that little girl is going to love her mother however much you detest her, and you are setting yourself up for huge complications if you don't project forward and think about such things.

You have to show love at all times. Love towards the little girl's mother (even though you don't feel it, ever) no matter what she does to you. This is bloody hard. But you are creating another generation here.

I am very sorry to say that I don't think your relationship with your OH will last. Maybe you fear this already. You are much too frightened and are approaching the situation with a sledgehammer.

Remember, if your relationship does not last (and you have admitted that it's very possible it won't as he is weak, doesn't back you up and anyway most men would take it 'offered on a plate' Sad) that your child will grow up wishing he knew his half sister.

If the ex really is a controlling, manipulative bitch, and it is quite possible (I suffered one) you simply have to start living your life for your own child and stop letting it eat you up about the ex.

Because your wee one is going to need you forever. Sad

Didn't explain that very well. Sad

Youllskimmer · 16/03/2011 20:14

I don't see how anyone can know if this relationship is going to last or not.

There's another thread about relationships that have lasted after starting as affairs so it can happen.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 16/03/2011 20:14

I didn't mean to do all those bold words - maybe the

    • setting has been changed as I see its happened to a few posters?

Lily, you can't make a partner face up to his duties and responsibilities, he has to do it himself. You can't make him do it.

Saying you should go behind a hedge is so bloody belittling of you and his new child's mother. Sad

NewPathways · 16/03/2011 20:15

What's knowing you got to do with anything?

The truth hurts.

I've never had a BF/DH/OH/DP 'stolen' off me ever.

But I've been approached many a time by ostensibly faithful friends, HELL SISTERS husbands professing (drunken/drugged) 'undying love' -what any woman worth her salt does is send him on with a fcking fly in his ear

If you think you're bigger and better than fidelity/infidelity then think on.

No-one is. If you let your ego take over, God help you. There will always be desperate flatterers out there. If you let their BullShit go to your head then, more fool you.

Stop trying to justify it and play the victim. People have no patience for this. Naturally.

Now, where was that tiny violin Angry

UnlikelyAmazonian · 16/03/2011 20:17

I don't think this thread sounds ANYTHING like other threads where couples have worked through their affairs.

Such a bloody crying shame that, as ever, there are children involved. More babies, more weeks of therapy a few years down the line. Sad

Hawklore · 16/03/2011 20:18

I take your point about the venom Lily, but there have also been a lot of us who have "unvenomously" just simply disagreed with you. It does feel rather like you were willing to dismiss the whole lot of us and our opinions because we were saying things you didn't want to hear. Mumsnetters are never going to go easy on somebody seen as a one-time OW. Anyone who's been here 5 minutes could have told you that I'm afraid.

Anyway, I agree with the others about stepping away from this thread now.

NewPathways · 16/03/2011 20:20

ARGH!

send him on his WAY with a fly in his ear

ie; kick him in the b0ll0x Angry

Ormirian · 16/03/2011 20:35

What sort of hedge?

GORGEOUSX · 16/03/2011 20:39

A thorny one, perhaps? Grin

MooMooFarm · 16/03/2011 20:45

I'm still trying to get my head around having bum sex on a first date in a thorny hedge (was it thorny or is that my warped imagination?!) Grin

NewPathways · 16/03/2011 20:58

Lilysmemo;
What I have not done is judge, you, her or anyone else- who knows what I would do in your situation, or you in mine

The following are statements from you which to me seems to be all judgements, recycled justifications and/, contradictions and/or at the least heresay:

In your own words:

I dont want to upset her, I dont know her-

She picks and chooses when he sees his dd, and is liable to chop and change when it suits her.

it seems childish to me

when it was him who wrecked their marriage- with her help, and not me

but I have bent over backwards to ensure OH sees his DD as much as possible and have not complained when he has cancelled our plans to accomodate the whims of a controlling ex ....................What is happening here is control.I am not one to let anyone have control over me, and it bothers me that my OH can so easily

He tried to talk to her about their relationship but she would lock herself in her room or fly next door to her mother's to avoid the conversation ( I have not just heard this from him btw).

*Their relationship would probably have limped on for another few years if it wasnt for me, this is true, but her constant emasculation of him by overriding him in decisions ( including making him pay for unnecssary IVF so she could conceive- without sex)and lack of communication in most things would have led to the breakdown anyway.

I am not sorry for her, she has the child she wanted on her own terms, she has the house and all the contents next door to mummy and daddy and she controls exactly when OH is allowed to see his daughter ( who he is not allowed to clothe, wasnt allowed to name or allowed any other choices ).
he is a weak man- many of them are - I know a thing or two about men, and most of them will be unfaithful in some way given the opportunity- do not kid yourselves, they are wired differently to us.*

Hmm so the boy can't help it?

she wasnt perfect , they were both at fault in the marriage. I think she is an immature girl who shut her eyes to the mess in her relationship as she didnt know how to deal with it-

OP, relying solely on the fact that others are judging is letting you down. YES, Others ARE judging you, But they're telling you what you can't seem to admit yourself.

No-one is denying that the deed is done and there is no going back now. All people are saying is be realistic. Being 'judgemental' is the splinter in someone elses eye while ignoring the log in your own.

You just need to accept your lot, accept the consequences of your choices and adjust your expectations.

Simples.

queencat · 16/03/2011 21:17

Lily can I just say before my partner I was married to someone who had a child. So I know how it feels to be on the other side of it as well. Even though I never had an affair with my exh and we met after they had split up. I was led to believe that his exgirlfriend was a psycho who had a baby to trap him blah blah, stabbed him (i kid you not), mentally abused him until he couldnt take anymore. Guess what? He turned out to be a violent bullshitter, I left him after he smashed my face in. Since then I have become really close with the mad ex. She did stab him yes because he was trying to strangle her and she grabbed a knife off the table and got him in the leg.

Ok yes that's all a bit extreme although completely true but what I'm trying to tell you is you are only hearing his version of events.

MillsAndDoom · 16/03/2011 21:21

Agree with Aisling - you've had a hard time on here - unsurprisingly.

pinkfluffyprincess · 16/03/2011 21:23

Grin shoutyhamster

cabbageroses · 16/03/2011 21:30

OP- the person you need to talk to is your partner. I don't think you are being unreasonable- what happens when his DD is at school etc in plays and concerts? will you go along to watch- with his ex glaring at you? You all need to think ahead a bit.

I can see he needs to keep his ex sweet- so he needs to get proper access arrangements in place.

As for the venemous comments- uncalled for.

People are allowed to make a mistake- unless you don't believe in divorce? Sometimes they extricate themselves from the marriage first, other times they meet someone which propels them into taking action. It is a fact that most men will not leave unless they have another woman waiting.

The timing may not quite fit with some peoples' moral codes, but if the marriage was going down the pan anyway, it's not such as terrible thing

Shirleywhirly · 16/03/2011 22:33

people who choose to shag have a deep and meaningful soulmate meeting of minds with other people's wives or husbands are low. They deserve no respect. It is morally reprehensible. End of.

madonnawhore · 17/03/2011 15:03

Lol @ OP believing exW wanted IVF because she didn't want to sleep with him.

Riiiiiggghhhht.

GORGEOUSX · 17/03/2011 16:20

OP No woman would put herself through IVF treatment because she didn't want to have sex with her husband - after all, most women can get a man to ejaculate within a minute or two, if they know what they're doing. Wink

madonnawhore · 17/03/2011 16:24

Cheating husband tells mistress massive lies about ex wife shocker.

perfumedlife · 17/03/2011 17:07

Do men who cheat think that, if the mistress to be knows he still sleeps with his wife (obviously) that she will refuse to have sex with him? Are they trying to get sympathy? Who would shag a man out of sympathy?

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