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Can a marriage ever survive dv ??

515 replies

fairycakesandsprinkles · 06/03/2011 21:50

Have posted on here before about DH.
We hadn't been together very long before getting married and me falling pregnant and since we had DS I noticed a change in him which I didn't like very much.
He starting becoming aggressive and it escalated within a very short period of time, coming to a head when he punched me when I had our baby son in my arms Sad
This was the first time he had done anything like that and it shocked me to the core.
I moved out of our house the same night and everyone has told me not to look back but I can't help thinking about him all the time.
I know it might sound crazy but he knows that he made a huge mistake and is very remorseful.
He has been to see his GP and been referred for anger management.
He sends me texts telling me he loves me and he hopes that one day I can forgive him and we can be a family again.
I go round there several times a week to take DS and I can feel us getting closer.
I am wondering if a marriage can ever survive something like this?
Can someone really change or am I a complete fool for still believing in him?

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boxingHelena · 09/03/2011 21:39

You have done everything right for your DS Fairy, so far.
You have taken him to a safer place.
You have acted fast. It is very hard Fairy but you need to be strong now. It is for the best. Try to get some melatonine tomorrow and take some tablets 30 minute before betime

fairycakesandsprinkles · 09/03/2011 21:49

waterrat I am still in love with him.
His actions make me feel sick but this is a man I made vows to 14 months ago.
I know I sound pathetic but I am so torn.
Walking away from him completely is so much harder than walking out the door that night

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PeterAndreForPM · 09/03/2011 21:59

stay away from for a week

just a week

it's only a week

get some space

do your research about abusive relationships and co-dependent behaviour

buy the book here and read it cover to cover

arrange counselling and look for support from friends and family

re-evaluate in a week

please, your ds deserves this

PeterAndreForPM · 09/03/2011 21:59

from him

itsohsoquiet · 09/03/2011 22:00

fairy you have done so well so far.
Don't give in to him now please Sad
I don't doubt that it's hard but stay strong for your little boy, he doesn't deserve to grow up in a home like that

waterrat · 09/03/2011 22:20

fairy, it's not pathetic. not at all. But you must give yourself more space. It wasn't just his actions on one night, he was controlling and unkind before that. He will not be a good father and he is not a good partner.

What everyone says is right - just say to yourself that you need more space away from him.

YOu say you love him - really think about what love is. While you were heartbroken and feeling sorry for him, he was sleeping with someone else. The time he claims he was regretting his actions - he was sleeping with someone else.

If your friend hadn't told you you wouldn't even know. this is your husband, you have a small baby - you are incredibly vulnerable and he has caused all of this.

Remember - he has created this situation not you. He was unkind, he hit you, he cheated on you and betrayed you. He is not capable of being the man you need him to be.

Just make it through a day at a time - please dont call or text him tonight. Find whoever your kindest strongest friends are and get them to keep him away for now.

Longtalljosie · 10/03/2011 07:25

Don't forget that his actions at the moment aren't proof he's any different from any other violent partner. It's common for them to use flattery, declarations of love, entreaties, romantic gestures etc to get you back. Why do you think people do stick with it for so long?

Stay strong.

Longtalljosie · 10/03/2011 07:27

You are only 23. You don't deserve to spend the rest of your life in fear. Somewhere out there is a man who will treat you like an equal, who will treat you as you deserve to be treated, and who will teach your DS how to be a proper husband in the future. Don't forget, if you go back, he'll learn from your H how to be in a relationship.

Mobly · 10/03/2011 08:47

If you go back to him now Fairy, you will regret it. You want him because he has destroyed your self esteem- that's what abusive men do. It's a cycle, now he will be remorseful- don't believe it no matter how convincing.

Have you looked at the book I suggested? I know it's only a book but it pulled the wool from my eyes. Abusive men are predictable and when you see their words/actions for the tactics and games they really are you just won't fall for it any longer.

Please read it. Please keep getting support on here whatever you decide.

I can guarantee a relationship with your ex will not have a happy ending. Leaving is the way you will find happiness.

Mobly · 10/03/2011 08:49

And no matter what he says, he does not love you. He does not love you. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. He wants to control you.

Imagine you had a daughter in your shoes in 20 years time- what would yu be telling her about a man who punched her in the face?

duchesse · 10/03/2011 09:01

In response to your OP, OP (Sadly I haven't time to read the thread), I would say no tbh. I don't think a man who is prone to DV ever changes deep down. And you would be forever on tenterhooks wondering what will trigger it next. That's no way to live.

If you really really believe in him, tell him in no uncertain terms to get help, get treatment, and if he ever, ever, EVER does anything even remotely abusive (not necessarily physically violent) that you reserve the right to be off/kick him out, whichever suits you best. If necessary put this in writing and get him to sign it while he's contrite. Do not say you forgive him for a long time, keep him on tenterhooks. He has deserved it.

Then draw a line under the episode and get on with your life. I personally would find this the hardest bit, and if I could't forgive entirely I would be off. NO sense hanging around waiting for the next blow.

NicknameTaken · 10/03/2011 10:31

It won't make it easier on you if you see him again. Write it all down in a letter if you must, but don't send the letter - throw it away or keep it for yourself as a reminder.

All this time when he is sobbing and protesting his love, a part of him is watching carefully to see which type of manipulation works best on you. And when he finds it, he'll put all his energy into that type of action.

fairycakesandsprinkles · 10/03/2011 13:24

What I don't understand is if he just wants someone to control then why doesn't he just move on to the next woman?

Im sure he could easily have this woman he slept with if he was after just anyone.

Is it not possible for a good person to make a mistake?

99% of the time we got on well and I refuse to believe he is some kind of monster.

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winnybella · 10/03/2011 13:40

Do not go back. Please.

He will NOT change.

If you want to be a good parent to your DS, you CANNOT go back.

And NO, it is NOT possible for a good person to do what he has done.

How often would he need to hit you to be a monster in your opinion? Once a day, once a week, once a month, once a year?

fairycakesandsprinkles · 10/03/2011 13:42

I agree the fact that he did it when DS was in my arms is unforgiveable.

If it wasn't for that I would give him one last chance.

But can anyone answer my question because I am struggling with it.

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winnybella · 10/03/2011 13:43

Oh, and why he keeps on trying to get you back?

Because you, obviously, are naive and malleable. And you have a low self-esteem, which prevents you from seeing that he is, in fact, an abusive twat.

There fore it's easier for him to do that (and how long has it been? Just a few weeks?) than to try to find another woman who will not mind being belittled and hit.

It's not because he loves you. Because he doesn't. This is not love and `I'm very sorry that you think that's how love looks like.

winnybella · 10/03/2011 13:45

Basically because he thinks you'll run back to him, sooner or later, and itt's easier for him to wait a bit for that, than to look for someone else who would put up with his despicable treatment of others.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/03/2011 13:59

Hi fairy,

re your comments:-
Is it not possible for a good person to make a mistake?

Your H is at heart not a good person. He likes, enjoys, hurting you. Abuse is always about power and control. He wants absolute over you. He has no idea what love is.

"99% of the time we got on well and I refuse to believe he is some kind of monster".

Oh give over. The above comment says as much about you as it does him tbh. That to me says you don't even now want to face up to the fact that you chose a bad'un as a hsuband because that would call into question your own judgment, asking your own self how you could have been so wrong here.

Do not go back to this man for your own sake as well as your child's. Your sone does not need such a cruel person in his life and neither do you.

You are not a failure, absolutely not. What you did i.e leaving him took real guts to do. Now the next hard bit is to stay away and ignore any of his entreaties/pleas to return.

You are worth so much more than he (I feel you still do not believe that) and you cannot even begin to help or rescue someone as inherently damaged as this man. Love your own self for a change; you are still so very vulnerable and as such still open to his charms.

Get yourself also onto a Womens Aid Freedom programme; that will help you.

fairycakesandsprinkles · 10/03/2011 14:06

I really do not think he enjoys hurting me.
If he did surely he would do it all the time?
This was once in over two years

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Becaroooo · 10/03/2011 14:12

Honestly OP? No.

He hit you whilst you were holding your son in your arms Do you have any idea what damage your son could have suffered if you had dropped him/her or your partner had missed and hit your son instead?????

You say you made vows to this person 14 months ago. That it true, of course. But he made vows to you too!! which he has broken!!!

I really do not believe that people who resort to DV can change. My aunt stayed with her abusive husband for years and years "for the children". Her sons observed things that no child should have to witness. They are both now in their 40s and have never married or had children which I believe is in part due to their very skewed view of what marriage is.

That could be your son 10 years down the line if you go back to this person (I refuse to call him a man...real men dont hit their wives)

He is doing what he thinks he needs to do to get you to trust him again...i.e. going to see the GP etc etc. Sounds like its working Sad

You put your son first and left. You are a strong person.

Keep putting him first and stay gone.

Becaroooo · 10/03/2011 14:13

so......you think him hitting you once in 2 years is a good ratio???????????

Jesus.........

Mamaz0n · 10/03/2011 14:15

You sound as though you need convincing that this man is anything less than a violent abuser. It is a shame that you don't have enough self respect to already know this, but you do not deserve to be treated that way.

IF you still love him then you are free to return to him. It sounds as though you asked him to leave because you thought it was what people were telling you to do rather than what you felt, deep down, was the right thing to do.

Most women who suffer from DV will usually return/allow the abuser to go back. It is all part of the cycle of abuse. They knock your confidence so much that you genuinly believe that you were somehow to blame, that you will never find anyone who loves you as they do, that of course they love you and they are absolutly sorry to have done what they did, that they have learnt their lesson and they will never ever do it again.

Im pretty well known on the boards for being a right feisty no nonesense poster. I have the same reputation in real life too. There are few that mess me with me as i dont take fools gladly.
But my abuser wore me down so much that i didn't even realise it was happening.
I too took him back. time and time again. Each and every time he would come back and be perfection itself. He would be considerate of my needs and make me feel special. For less and less time each time.

Soon enough he would be back to his real self. Finding things to argue over, things to criticise me for. anything to give him a reason to hit me.
No matter how lightly i trod oon those egg shells, soon enough I would be being throttled, punched, kicked, spat at, raped, knives held to my throat....pretty much every form of violence you can imagine.

Now of course your lovely wonderful husband isn't like that. no no no. My ex was a monster.

But you see, in the beginning my ex was lovely. When the controlling behaviour started and teh arguments increased my beloved grandad spoke to me about it and he raised oncerns over him. I actually said "no he is fine honestly. we argue but only because i am a stubborn mare. He would never do anything to hurt me"
i can remember that conversation and it still haunts me now.

The first act of violence( i realise now with hindsight, at the time i just shrigged it off) was when i was pregnant. we hwere having a silly argument over nothing and he pushed me. I fell backwards over the bed. I was pregnant and yet he didn't help me up, or act concerned, he just walked off and left me in a heap on the floor.
From then it increased. But it took a while to reach the stage of punches.it went from pushing and shoving, to grabbing and pulling, to holding me down or grabbing my throat.

Your darling husband didn't even think you worthy of the slow build up. he went straight in for the punch.

You see normally men like this will use teh slow build up so as to desensetise the woman to the behaviour. Everyone accepts that a punch or kick is wrong, but the odd push or shove gets forgotten, ignored, brushed under teh carpet.

Your husband seems to think (seemingly correctly) that you hold such a low opinion of yourself and such a high one of him that he can hit you and you will take it.
You have proven him wrong so far. Please, don't allow him to become victor in this.

He will hit you again. He will. Only the violence will get worse. and more frequent.

By the time i finally escaped i was being kicked seven shades out of at least twice a day.
I post here, i keep on boring the vast majority of MNer with my story time and time again because i made my mistakes, i had to live that life. But i hope that by repeating my own mistakes i can prevent someone else from making the same ones.

Please, I beg of you, do not make the same mistakes i did.

Mamaz0n · 10/03/2011 14:19

"This was once in over two years"

yes but it was the last opportunity he had to hit you.

Harold Shipman had only killed 1 person in 50 odd years....till he went to the next persons house.

Allow the statistic to remain once in 2 years. Do not allow him the opportunity to even it up

Becaroooo · 10/03/2011 14:19

Please, please listen to mamazon!!!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/03/2011 14:24

Fairy

The only acceptable level of violence within a relationship is actually none.

One time is once too many (he hit you with your child in your arms!) and if you go back you hand him carte blanche to do it all over again.

Fairy, what did you yourself learn about relationships when growing up?. It is a question that you need to give very careful consideration to.

What lessons re relationships do you want to pass on to your child?. You can teach your son strong decisive lessons by continuing to stay away from this dangerous individual.

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