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Hello from a child-free girl...

443 replies

goldilockz · 16/02/2011 00:20

Hi everyone,

I hope you don't mind me becoming a member of your forums, I must admit I'm rather nervous to be doing so and hope you'll have the patience to read my post through to the end. Briefly, I'm a 26 year old from Scotland who has no children and doesn't want any children (please don't let this put you off!) This was never an issue for me until my long-term boyfriend and I started discussing having children last year. He thinks he wants children while I have never experienced the elusive maternal urge or ticking of the biological clock. While I initially thought that adopting would be a reasonable compromise, I soon came to my senses and realised that a person should not be a compromise and that someone who doesn't want children shouldn't have them when her only reason for doing so would be to maintain her relationship. I discussed this with a few friends, some of whome knew where I was coming from, others who were a bit less accepting of the fact I'm unlikely to change my mind, saying that I've been given a womb for a reason, that my clock will start ticking etc. While I acknowledge that this is a possibility, I know that it's highly unlikely.

My reason for posting is that, since that 'chat' with my boyfriend which obviously caused us both a lot of distress as, lets face it, disagreeing about having children is a deal-breaker, I have become more and more aware of my 'child-free' status and ever more aware of the divisions between women who don't have or want children and women that do. This, admittedly, is something that concerns me. I don't like the idea of going through life judging other people because their decision differs from mine, nor do I want to be defensive and, while I have found websites such as thechildfreelife.com to be helpful, I also think they make one identify more with a child-free persona and being child-free is only a small part of who I am. My reasons for joining this forum is to integrate myself more with people who are not child-free, hopefully make a few friends and perhaps learn something from one another. I don't want to go through life being defensive about not having children or feel I have to justify my choice. I don't want to be labelled as being 'child-free' or the like, but I have noticed that this is something I identify myself with more and more and this upsets me. OK, enough of my waffling. I hope what I've said has made some sense and that I've not offended anyone in the process, as that is completely the opposite of why I'm here. I'm shaking as I write this because I'm very aware of the disparity between women who have children and those who don't and am envisaging a backlash! I hope that doesn't happen and I'm looking forward to your replies.

Goldi xx

OP posts:
Subway · 16/02/2011 10:41

Are people people deliberately thick? QS is saying she doesn't have anything she needs or wants to learn about BEING CHILD FREE. Not that nobody without kids can teach her anything.

Keep up at the back of the class, FFS Grin

loscann · 16/02/2011 10:41

Toby the point was the entire post was about not wanting kids. Nothing about her job, interests, personality.

I hate pets. If someone came to me and said, I have six chihuahuas, learn from me, I would tell them to kindly fuck off. I'm not so insecure in my pet-disliking that I need to constantly discuss it, and I would be confused to, on telling the pet-lover I was happy with my choices, be told I was 'bingoing' him. If he didn't like the terms of the discussion, why did he bother starting it?

I would be happy to be friends with the pet lover and do all the non-pet-related things there are to do. But I would avoid the subje t of pets because they bore me silly and I have enough fun interesting things to get on with without being an anti-pet evangelist.

Goldi, if you think you are getting grief now at 26, just wait til you're 36. Own your choices. If you've made the right choices for you, say so (why on earth would you not say in your OP if you are absolutely certain you don't want kids? Why would you think we'd be angry at you hearing that? Why would we care?). Fending off busybodies is part of life, and unfortunately women have it worst. The busybodies don't stop judging when you have kids. They get WORSE. You just have to say fuck em and get on with what makes you happy. Constantly rehashing your decisions is a fool's game - you will never convince the pet haters to buy a Pekingese because People Are Different.

So if you want friends from a different background, go to Chat/a pet forum/the food forum/the book club and go nuts. There is tons on mumsnet not related to kids.

(Posie I also do not get not wanting children but getting pets instead. Pets just seem to embody the worst aspects of childcare to me. But meh, I'm a pet hater, I'm never going to get it, am I?

cereza · 16/02/2011 10:41

OP just wanted to start a fight IMO and then go to the childfree forum to tell them all about it. Silly woman. And very bored too.

Subway · 16/02/2011 10:43

Agree with loscann about owning your choices. Bitching about other people's life choices is a waste of energy that a 26 yr old should be putting into leading an exciting, fulfilling life.

exexpat · 16/02/2011 10:43

I just find it a bit odd that the OP defines herself so much by something she doesn't want and is not interested in.

I don't have a cat, don't go to church, and am not remotely interested in football. But I don't feel the need to go on cat-loving/religious/sport forums and explore the 'divisions' between those who love cats and those who don't.

Perhaps it's a question of expectations - most women are expected to want children eventually. Most women are expected to be interested in fashion, make-up, shoes etc - I'm not, and I don't feel the need to spend hours navel-gazing about that fact, let alone join fashion forums.

Surely at 26 the majority of women are child-free anyway? I and all my friends were. If she was in her late 30s and so getting all the 'isn't your clock ticking, you've left it too late' comments, I could understand her issues a bit more.

BooBooGlass · 16/02/2011 10:44

Methinks the OP doth protest too much Hmm
Self obsessed much?

madonnawhore · 16/02/2011 10:44

Every woman who is a mother was child free at one point in their lives. Mothers aren't a different alien species who can't possibly understand what it's like to be a child free young woman.

I think the OP is a little bit unhealthily obssessed with this subject. Judging women with children, WTF?? You all have to accept her choice to self-identify as child free and accept her judgement of you that you made a different choice.

Why are you even here OP? If you don't want kids and judge people who do?

I say this as someone who is child free and never particularly wanted children until I hit 30 and my biological clock went off big time, taking me totally by surprise.

ttalloo · 16/02/2011 10:44

I second posieparker and subway - leave QS alone and actually understand what she really said, not what you think she said.

Ephiny · 16/02/2011 10:45

"I have nothing to learn from someone who doesn't have children or want any"

Subway, that seems pretty clear to me. Though actually it wasn't QS who originally said it (though she said something similar!).

ttalloo · 16/02/2011 10:47

It's clear to me that QS's only mistake is not to have finished her sentence, ephiny, with 'about not having children'.

Ephiny · 16/02/2011 10:47

I agree the OP is being ridiculous, btw, just that comments like this implying that not having children makes someone generally ignorant are really not helpful, and make us look as bad as them IMO.

TobyLerone · 16/02/2011 10:47

I don't know what I'm supposed to be 'projecting' Confused. There is a rather smug undertone with a lot of mothers (both on MN and in real life).

The fact is that it has been said that someone who is child-free has nothing to teach someone who is a parent. That is not me being obtuse. That is what was said.

Ephiny said it better.

ShowOfHands · 16/02/2011 10:49

I'm childfree.

Oh no hang on, that 3yr old is mine. Suppose I'd better feed and clothe it.

Obviously the op is never coming back, but it's a shame that a decision that she's so comfortable with (and is largely of little interest to most people, though I mean that kindly), is something that causes her such consternation.

The invented division between the childfree and the parents of this world is just that. Being a parent, or not, is surely just one small part of the wonderful tapestry of your life. I mean I'm not just a mother, I like second world war defences and puzzles too. So many levels.

peppapighastakenovermylife · 16/02/2011 10:50

Hmmm...just read her post on the other forum - can't say I would write something like that alongside my picture and location!

ChildofIsis · 16/02/2011 10:51

Is it just me or does OP need to grow up and get a life.

As has already been said we were all child free untill we gave birth.

What a bigoted view of the world she has, it's no wonder that there's so much negativity in the world when young girls see life so oddly.

Subway · 16/02/2011 10:52

Maybe you just mix with smug people? @Toby.

exexpat · 16/02/2011 10:54

Just read her thread on the childfreelife complaining about us. I can't really see where she is getting all the hostility from.

And, FWIW, as a mother of two, I find it perfectly possible to have friends who don't have children: I have child-free male and female friends, gay and transgender friends, people older and younger than me, and we find plenty to talk about. In fact I used to have a brilliant book group that was hugely diverse in terms of age, gender, nationality, sexual orientation, parents/nonparents, and I really enjoyed the breadth of discussions. But I think I would rapidly get fed up with a female friend who was obsessed with being child-free. There is an awful lot more to life.

TobyLerone · 16/02/2011 10:54

Ha! I do not mix with smug people! I avoid them like the plague because I'm too busy to stand at the school gates and talk about changing nappies or my PFB's school report.

I'm probably the smug one, because I have children and the lie-ins/hot sex Wink

cereza · 16/02/2011 10:56

Come on, OP is not concerned at all about the issue. She's just pretending. All this "I hope i haven't offended anyone", "I just want to get to know you to understand you". Bollocks. She just wanted to provoke.
She says she wants to "integrate with people who are not child-free". Really? Online Hmm

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 11:00

Toby and Epiphany I said I had nothing to learn from her as a child free person and I stand by that, I may learn from her as a woman, as a librarian(or whatever job she has), her interest in art, science whatever.....just not really interested in the part of her life that is purely about not wanting children. I too have many (surprisingly many) friends without children...and lots of people with children who I am not friends with....it's not about being a parent, it's about friendship.

ShowOfHands · 16/02/2011 11:00

I like the idea of 'integrating'. Like we're different species.

Rules:

"Don't bend down in front of a person who has children, they'll wipe you"

"Never approach a childfree person from behind, they don't have eyesinbackofhead status yet and are easily startled".

noeyedear · 16/02/2011 11:06

Why would you post on two forums with the same name? Why 'Goldilockz' for both, unless you wanted the someone from the first forum to find your posts on the second forum, slagging them off, starting a cyber fight?

Honestly, if I wasn't sitting here trying to avoid watching CBeebies, I'd have a job, or doing something interesting with my time (like I did when I was childfree!)

ttalloo · 16/02/2011 11:07

very funny, showofhands!

ShirleyKnot · 16/02/2011 11:07

Gross, I would never want to intergrate with someone who doesn't have children.

Don't be so bloody revolting Show.

CornflowerB · 16/02/2011 11:09

It's all a bit 'protesting too much', isn't it? If you were actually happy with your child-free status you wouldn't feel the need to define yourself by it.
God almighty, as if there weren't enough divisions in society already, why on earth go about artificially creating another one?

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