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I don't want this baby

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CinnabarRed · 24/01/2011 11:43

I would really appreciate your help to get my thoughts together. I?d also like to hear from anyone who?s been in a similar situation; what decision you made and whether you regretted it. I also know that hthere are women out there who would give their right arm for a baby, and I'm sorry to anyone who finds this insensitive,

I found out on Saturday that I?m pregnant. We thought we were being sufficiently careful (my periods hadn?t come back after I stopped breastfeeding DS2 in November, and we were using condoms) but clearly not careful enough. My best guess based on how pregnant I feel is that I?m about 6 weeks.

Background: DP and I have been together for six years, and have two children (DS1 is 3.2 years and DS2 is 9 months). My pregnancy with DS1 was very complicated, and I was incredibly fortunate to get to term and give birth to a happy, healthy baby. However, I suffered severe PND, and neither DP nor I really realised how bad it was (we both thought it was normal for new mothers to feel emotional) in time to seek help at the time. DP thinks that it took me a good 18 months to get back to being me, which feels right to me too.

After counselling, I had to courage to try for another baby. We were lucky, I fell pregnant straight away, my pregnancy was textbook and trouble-free, and DS2 is the most wonderful baby I could want. However, I again had severe PND. We had hoped that I wouldn?t after a very easy pregnancy, but if anything I was worse than with DS1 (I was suicidal the second time round). The difference this time was we knew to seek help and my GP, HV and the local mental health team were brilliant. I started on ADs when DS2 was 8 weeks old and am still taking them now.

I love my boys and DP more than anything. But I find the thought of another baby horrifying.

From a purely practical perspective, there?s no reason to worry. We would be fine financially, we have enough bedrooms for all three, childcare would be manageable. DP and I have a good, loving, respectful relationship.

DP was raised Catholic, although he isn?t a regular churchgoer. However, his faith gives a quiet and constant flavour to his thinking and moral compass. When we first met and were talking hypothetically about children he told me that he couldn?t continue a relationship with someone who had an abortion. He?s older and wiser now, and having seen me struggle so much with the DSs has said that he loves me enough to respect whatever decision I make. But I worry that if I did decide to terminate this pregnancy he might not be able to come to terms with it. To him, abortion would be the same as killing a little DS1 or DS2.

But my head is so muddled; I don?t know what I would do even if DP?s feeling weren?t in the equation. I?m not sure which of my thoughts are sensible and which are selfish. In no particular order, my fears are:

  • Getting PND again. I don?t know if I could survive falling back into that suicidal pit of despair again.
  • I really felt our family was complete. It felt right when DS2 came along (despite the subsequent PND) in a way that it didn't with just DS1.
  • Things are just getting easier again. DS2 is starting to sleep through and is in a routine, DS1 is potty training well. I don?t know if I have the mental or physical energy to start again with night feeds and exhaustion.
  • It would be the final nail in the coffin for career progression. I work in one of those professions where youth is overvalued and you need to have made it before 40 if you?re ever going to. I derive a great deal of satisfaction and self-worth from my career. I?ve only been back from maternity leave with DS2 for 2 weeks.
  • DS2 would only be 17 months (or thereabouts) when the new baby comes. That?s still a baby himself. He deserves more time as the centre of my world.
  • DS1 has been brilliant with DS2. We?ve had so little sibling upset. Surely we couldn?t be that lucky again? Why rock a very happy apple cart? I'm happy as we are.
  • I?m getting on a bit. I feel like we dodged two bullets in having two happy, healthy babies (we didn?t take up the usual antenatal screening tests because DP?s faith meant we knew we would keep both pregnancies even if there was a problem).
  • We?ve just employed a lovely nanny. She?d been out of work for several months and is so happy to have found a permanent job. We couldn?t afford to keep her on while I was on maternity leave with the new baby.

But in any case, I don?t know if I could go through with an abortion. I can?t imagine what it would be like to actually take the pills, knowing what would happen as a result. Maybe I can come to love this baby. Maybe if I have him/her then in a year?s time I?ll be thanking my lucky stars that I didn?t have an abortion. I don?t know.

Thank you for listening. Sorry for rambling.

I won?t be able to come back on line today, but will check in this evening. Please don?t think I?m ignoring you.

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CinnabarRed · 08/05/2011 22:30
Smile

Thank you all.

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cushiebutterfield2 · 21/05/2011 22:02

Glad to hear that things are working out for you!
Just a word to those that are linking dp's aversion to abortion with his religious beliefs and expressing surprise that he is not also averse to contraception. He's obviously not a devout, practising catholic but has retained some of the moral tenets of his youth. So there should be no surprise that he is OK with contraception since it's only the hardcore catholics that don't contracept.

Regarding the morality of abortion, opposition to abortion is NOT a niche religious issue!
It is a moral issue just like any other. You don't need to be religious to be anti slavery or anti apartheid, and you don't need to be religious to be anti abortion.
Many atheists are anti abortion.

CinnabarRed · 16/07/2011 06:42

Another quick update - DP is now DH!

We got married yesterday, and it was perfect. A very small wedding, with just the boys, our parents, my brother and DH's sister.

The boys were fantastic! DS1 (3.8 years) gave everyone a running commentary throughout the ceremony. He was also in charge of the rings, and was a little miffed that there were only 2!. DS2 (15 months) spent his time wandering around the room poking his fingers into any little cracks he could find and cackling with laughter.

It was a morning ceremony so we had lunch together and then came home so DS2 could have a nap. When we got back we found that our neighbours had ganged together to buy us a trampoline as a wedding present and had put it up in the garden while we were out!

My PILs are looking after the boys for the weekend, so DH and I are going to go away for a couple of nights.

Only 2 months until DS3 is due, and we couldn't be happier.

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Al0uiseG · 16/07/2011 06:46

Congratulations, I didn't know any of this and have just caught up on the whole thread. Enjoy your nights away xxx

Lizzabadger · 16/07/2011 06:55

Ahhhhh. Congratulations!!!!!! Happy endings are lovely. x

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TheOriginalFAB · 16/07/2011 07:31

FANTASTIC! Grin.

FuzzpigFourFiveSix · 16/07/2011 08:31

Aww :) I am so happy for you Cinnabar, I hadn't seen this first time round and am so glad to see everything is going well.

My DD was a bit older than your youngest when we married, and she made everyone laugh by shouting out "daddy!" halfway through the vows :)

I also notice you have the same anniversary as my parents - next year they will have been married 40 years.

About the PND - I'm a sufferer too, I had it both times (have had 'normal' depression on and off anyway) and I can honestly say the most vital thing (other than support which you clearly have from your lovely DH!) is self awareness. As long as you keep an eye out for the signs and get yourself to the GP if anything changes, you'll be fine :)

wompoopigeon · 16/07/2011 09:11

Congratulations Cinnabar I am sooo pleased to see this lovely thread update. Your wedding sounds gorgeous, and you all sound so happy.
More than one mental health professional has told me that PND is not a definite outcome for future births. You sound like you have put in place good changes and a good support system, and I have great faith these will work for you. And if they don't- as the previous poster notes, you and DH (DH!) will spot it and get help
pronto.
But you won't be thinking about PND today. So congratulations again!

ThumbsNoseAtSnapewitch · 16/07/2011 09:19

Cinnabar - I am so glad to have spotted this update! I missed the previous ones where you had decided to keep the baby after all - just wanted to say Congratulations and I hope everything goes well for you.
x

tb · 16/07/2011 10:13

Congratulations Grin

RandomMess · 16/07/2011 10:37

Congratulations, I remember your thread from so long ago Grin

letitlie · 16/07/2011 10:37

Congratulations Grin wishing you lots of happiness!

dolldaggabuzzbuzz · 16/07/2011 14:52

Congratulations! Your story made me feel sad when you first posted. Now I am shedding a little tear of joy at your update! All the best with DS3 you lucky girl!

OohMatron · 16/07/2011 15:12

What a lovely story, congratulations Grin

Please update when the baby arrives

RockinSockBunnies · 16/07/2011 16:35

Just come to this thread now - so happy for you and wishing you all the best.

MeconiumHappens · 16/07/2011 22:22

So pleased things are going well and hope you are getting plenty of input from your gp etc to give you lots of support in late pregnancy and early newborn days. A really lovely thread. :)

GetOrfMoiLand · 16/07/2011 22:48

Congratulations - I have just read the whole thread, what a rollercoaster of emotions.

What utterly lovely people you and your DH sound. Your children are very lucky to have you as parents. I wish you all the luck in the world Smile

maxybrown · 16/07/2011 23:42

Smile lovely, you sound very happy, so pleased for you.

hellymelly · 16/07/2011 23:47

I am so happy too.I was surprised to see the thread up again as I remembered it from your first posting.Really big congratulations for your wedding and wishing you all the best for the future.

ledkr · 17/07/2011 00:02

congrats,thats greta news,

HampstersDontSwim · 17/07/2011 00:21

Bless your heart Smile

So pleased for you
xx

GRW · 17/07/2011 08:32

Have just read the whole thread- your DH sounds wonderful, enjoy your weekend away.

CinnabarRed · 20/07/2011 16:41

Have just added a photo to my profile if you want to take a look!

Will update as and when DS3 makes an appearance.

x

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GetOrfMoiLand · 20/07/2011 16:45

Oh Cinnabar what a lovely photo. goprgous colour dress. Congratulations Smile

This is truly a lovely thread.