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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 11:26

Morning too perfumed! Wanted to reassure you that I've experienced the same in the last couple of days - and have made contributions to threads and posed questions, only to get no response whatsoever from the OP, so the invisible ink metaphor occurred to me too!

Maybe all the posts on this thread since the OP departed yesterday have gone the same way....

Theonlyexception · 21/01/2011 11:31

OP, I don't have very much to add to this but I just want to agree with the the other posters who have said you need to confront your husband over what has been going on. Do not, under any circumstances let your dh go out tonight. Tell him he is staying in with you, and that you need to have a marriage crisis talk. Tell him he needs to cut all ties with the other woman. Save your marriage op, if this is what you want. Don't listen to anyone who says that it's degrading to stop your husband from going ahead with this inevitable affair- you would be in much more pain if he were to conduct a physical affair with this woman.

kepler10b · 21/01/2011 12:12

if this was my partner he would be out the door. so easy to say i know. i have been cheated on in two longterm relationships before and after going through all the processes of blaming myself, doing everything i could to make things work etc etc i now feel that it's just not worth it to be made to feel the way a cheater makes you feel.

if they want to be with you they should be with you no matter what. stay and work through the problems or leave if the problems are insurmountable.

you OH is testing the ground with his slighly vague texts to this women to see if it is safe for him to voice his feelings without committing too much in case he has read the situation wrong. how cowardly is that??

infidelity is cheap and nasty and people who do it are too. fortunately my DH feels the same way i do about it.

so so sorry you find yourself in this situation. don't blame yourself. the "functional" line is a load of bollocks.

ivykaty44 · 21/01/2011 12:57

you can't have it both ways

either you tell the couple to make a go of their marriage

or you tell the one being cheated on to get rid

you tell the adulterer to stay and the cheated on to kick out even within the same marriage?

Sort out which one you want it to be but it can not be both

Both links there is an adulterer

madonnawhore · 21/01/2011 13:02

ivykaty44 i don't think anyone is ruling out making a go of the marriage in this instance, but your suggestion that OP dresses up and flirts with him to 'win him back' was really, really strange and like something out of a housewive's manual from 1936.

It totally buys into the bullshit excuse OP's DH is giving her for his shitty behaviour i.e. that if only OP were more fun and sexy, he wouldn't be nurturing massively inappropriate relationships with other women.

OP's husband is behaving like a cock because hhe's a cock. If he stops being a cock then mmaybe, maybe there's a chance for OP's marriage, but it's not up to her to stop him seeing this woman, her DH has to see that he's totally out of order and want to stop himself.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 13:06

Well, since I haven't even gone on that thread that you linked to Ivy because it is clear that the OP is a self-absorbed arse - and I haven't yet advised this OP to end her marriage, I'm assuming your post isn't personal to me.

However, on a general point, it is not iniquitous at all to advise an unfaithful person, regardless of their gender, to make some decisions, stop the deceit and commit to their primary relationship - that is, assuming their spouse will still want them. Or iniquitous to advise a person, regardless of their gender, to take some control back and stop making themselves a victim of someone else's selfishness.

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 13:09

Ah thanks WWIFN Grin

I can't understand your take on this either ivykaty. It's not the op's job to act like a vamp in order to 'keep her man'. That's backward. He married her, he should be there and be loyal. Do you also think she should send him to work with home baked cookies?

The problem here is the dh's total lack of respect for his wife and his marriage. The op has apparant low self esteem or lack of clear boundries as most women would have put their foot down long before now, and worrying about searching his phone wouldn't enter their minds.

madeindevon2 · 21/01/2011 13:14

i reckon get a babysitter organised and go out too with them!!

or organise sitter and say we not been out for ages...how about we go out for meal and we can catch up with R later for drink!?

LittleMissHissyFit · 21/01/2011 13:20

Bloody hell WWIFN bags it nail on head even when she hasn't even BEEN on a thread.... You are dead right about that thread Ivy refers to that OP is a self-absorbed arse! Grin

Somewhere in the Fidelity Garden in the grounds of Mumsnet Towers there will be a statue of WWIFN to celebrate her contribution to Relationship threads.

I DO however think that OP needs to fight for her marriage on some level. How to actually do this is another matter, but to sit back and watch it happen is not going to do anyone any good at all.

Otherwise, whatever WWIFN says is, as ever, good enough for me. What she said, every time.

Grin
AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:20

Well, in those two threads you refer to Ivy, I have been completely consistent in both of them Grin

Ivy...do you do lots of things that make you feel uncomfortable to "keep your man" ? Hmm

LittleMissHissyFit · 21/01/2011 13:21

Norty AF! Grin

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 13:23

Who was it who gave their husband a blow job 20 minutes after giving birth? Was that Ivy? Grin

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:24

there are two "self-absorbed arses" in the linked threads too

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 13:27

TheDevil that's surely an urban myth, no? Shock

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 13:28

I wanted to hack DH's penis off with a rusty blade 20 minutes after labour Grin

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 13:31

TheDevil - Grin

Nope, Perfumed not a myth. I was a little bit sick in my mouth when I read that.

I can't remember who posted that comment now.......

And yep, I'm with you on the removal of offending member after giving birth! Grin

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:32

no, it wasn't Ivy

the poster said it happened, so we have to believe it is true

I believe it actually...since I used to work on a postnatal ward where it wasn't that rare for male partners to be asked to leave because of inapproriate sexual behaviour with hours of giving birth

some women will really do anything to stake their physical claim on a man < shrug >

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:33

within

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 13:33

No, PL, it was on a thread last week! Though it was 45 minutes later - he was considerate after all, you see Hmm

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 13:34

Here.

WARNING Boak alert.

Add message | Report | Message poster conniedescending Sun 02-Jan-11 08:49:07
"I gave my DH a blow job about 45 mins after giving birth to our first child.

Thrush wouldn't prevent me from tossing him off.

The OP should ask herself why her OH is behaving like he did? perhaps she should have picked up on the cues and offered before he got into that state.

I have seen plenty of posts from women on MN who's partners have gone off sex and it really works both ways. This can cause huge problems in a relationship.

Quite frankly I am amazed at the number of women who are repulsed at the thought of doing a quick hand job. Seems a bit repressed to me."

Nice Hmm

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 13:37

My very first biscuit Biscuit

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:38

that poster got rightly vilified if I remember correctly

And seems to have stopped posting, I wonder why...

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 13:39

Dear god, what is wrong with modern women? AF, do you think it's women who are worried at not being at home to service their men whilst in labour?

Hardly worth hanging on to Confused

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 13:40

Ahahahaha Grin

I remember now. 45 minutes. conniedescending. Actually she's posting today, I've seen her.

She can't talk much though, she's got her mouth full Wink

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 13:43

Arf The Devil Grin