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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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Mymblesson · 21/01/2011 13:48

And men are like kids...

SOME men may be like that, but please quit it with the simple-minded stereotyping, eh?

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 13:53

PL, yes

Some of these fuckwit blokes do shag around though, and do look to see what else they can entertain themselves with the minute they aren't the centre of attention

those poor women

I feel very sorry for them

the fact is they are with shitholes and should not demean themselves this way in the first place

auntpolly · 21/01/2011 14:06

OP, I hope you have confronted your husband by now. Don't feel remotely guilty about going through his phone, he's given you plenty of reason to be extremely suspicious.

Shock Shock at the blow job 45 minutes after giving birth! What's even worse is it would have been with baby in the room, no?
I'm trying to think what I was doing 45 minutes after my births, I think I was having my tear sown up, I was probably thinking about giving a DH a blow job though Hmm

Stupid question, what does boak mean?

madonnawhore · 21/01/2011 14:07

Is that woman fucking kidding?! She gave her H a blow job 45 mins after giving birth??

I find that incredibly sad; that she thought it wasn't totally selfish or creepy or really inappropriate for him to ask.

Just, wow.

Mymblesson · 21/01/2011 14:09

Boak = throw up.

Not sure about the blow-job thing, but when my wife was in hospital just after giving birth herself, one of the nurses there told her about a woman getting pregnant on the ward the day after having her baby Confused

auntpolly · 21/01/2011 14:10

my DH not a DH that would just be cheap Grin

Mymblesson · 21/01/2011 14:10

Some of these fuckwit blokes do shag around though,

Yes no doubt. My ex-brother-in-law was one such.

auntpolly · 21/01/2011 14:11

Thanks Mymblesson, I wasn't sure if it stood for something!

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 14:15

Then there's the dry boak, where you retch but are not able to be sick Smile Nice.

I even struggled to allow dh near my boobs while they were still being used to bf. It cannot be natural or right to think of such things at that time.

I know when people die there can be a need to connect with others and sex drive can suddenly appear. That I understand. But, just after a baby has wreaked havoc on your regions, why would that make a man want sex or blow jobs Confused

I'm coming back as a butterfly, fuck this, too complicated.

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 14:16

I've obviously been wrong all these years. I should have just worn more cheesy underwear, offered an endless supply of sex and laughed at all their jokes. No, wait, I DID do all that ... and this is why I now advise women to have more self-respect!

Thanks for hug, mouse :)

Mymblesson · 21/01/2011 14:20

my DH not a DH that would just be cheap

Hehe, wife-swapping on the Maternity ward. That's all sorts of Wrong Grin

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 14:31

Grin Mym

You're welcome Grace.

SlightlyJaded · 21/01/2011 14:33

OP hope you're ok. You do realise people just want to help - even if it makes for harsh reading?

Please come back and talk.

Re: 45 afer giving birth min blow job. I wonder how e OP's DH would have responded if the request had been the other way round Hmm

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 14:38
hana21 · 21/01/2011 14:47

how sad for you but i honestly dont think it is your fault in anyway this situation over a long period of time could probably happen to a huge portion of us. Its the grass is always greener etc, i have 2 kids the same age and it is always hard to put time and effort into the relationship but my husband knows what he signed up for. What do you want to come out of the situation ? if you confront him what would you like to hear ? is your answer to that the same as what you are actually likly to be told ? I take it you love your husband and want to be with him ? i know its also cliche but stuff like this can sometimes make a relationship stronger.

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 14:58

SlightlyJaded Grin and [puke]

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 14:59

'Stuff like this can sometimes make a relationship stronger'

Much much less than 'somtimes'

It tends to become the weapon of choice for future point scoring IME.

It never truly goes away, does it?

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 15:00

sorry for typos, typing left handed as feeding DS

hana21 · 21/01/2011 15:02

to be fair mouseface you are 100% right and that is pretty much what it is used for in my situation i was just trying to give a light at the end !!

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 15:07

Sorry, didn't mean to be mean hana. Just how I've found it in the past.

People/marriages/relationships do survive affairs, just not as often as people may think or even hope. Smile

hana21 · 21/01/2011 15:11

i know you werent and i agree no point sugar coating lol

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 16:26

Hi, wow so many responses! It's overwhelming reading them all my head is spinning. I do have an update but don't have any time now, will be back on here later on this evening though. Thanks eveyone.x

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/01/2011 16:26

I agree with most of posters here but Minipie and MsBoogie have me nodding my head.

Remove the 'romance' of the situation, tell your husband how disgusted you are at his lack of loyalty to his family and how angry his friend is also. Tell him that he's at the point of no return, if he wants to work on your marriage you're prepared to do that (if you are) - but if he wants to leave he can go - you won't be having him back.

ivykaty44 · 21/01/2011 18:30

It really was 1936's shit I haven't got a clue what that was all about Hmm

I must admit, I didn't read very many posts on the linked to thread - I was just trying to make a point that it can be very sexist on here regards affairs

glad the OP has come back and hope that op can sort out what she wants

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 21:14

Right, am back! Sorry to post and run yesterday. Bad form I know. Was really busy and had to work though.

So, I did confess to dh I had read this email off his phone. He said that he could see how it looked bad but that when he said 'R - you're in my head a bit' he meant that the situation with C and R was doing his head in, not that SHE was in his head. He said she would know what he meant coz he's used the terminology in that way before, and that the 'you're' refers to both of them, not just R.

We talked for a bit and then he went back off to work, but came back a bit later with the email conversation printed off in it's entirety and we sat together and read it. It refers to something that happened when they were all in the pub last Sunday. C got really drunk and started to apologise to dh about the gossiping about him and R. One of the main issues I think is that C swears that it all stems from other people noticing stuff, but when dh talks to them about it they all say that it was C who was saying stuff. If that makes sense.

So then dh said, 'right I'm going home' as he didn't want to discuss it when C was drunk. Unfortunately C refuses to discuss it sober and always denies there's a problem when asked directly. The next morning, he emailed R to say 'That's it I'm not coming out with you two anymore'. She was all like 'why what's happened?'. She totally claims ignorance of the whole thing, also denies that C's upset about the friendship and wants everything to stay exactly as it is. In fact, dh says she 'harangues' him into coming out when he's said he's not going to, which happened last friday.

I think that's when the 'you're in my head a bit' comes. dh says that is a regrettable choice of words - and it is - but like I explained doesn't mean what I thought. They then agree to meet up again on saturday/sunday and discuss it properly, apparently they didn't really talk about it much last time as R was 'tired' and just kept saying, 'I don't know' to everything so it was a waste of time'.

Basically the issue as dh sees it is as this:

He is friends with C's girlfriend R but absolutely nothing more, there is no spark, he doesn't fancy her at all. He admits she's pretty (she is) but says they are friends and that's it.

Either A) C is narked at the friendship, feels left out and has been talking to all and sundry about it or B) C has no issue with the friendship or anything but other 3rd parties have commented to him about it and suggested it's a bit weird or whatever.

I personally think it's theory A and so does dh. The problem is, C will not say to his face that he has a problem with the friendship and even at one point started crying when dh said he didn't think it would be a good idea for the 3 of them to hang out anymore! (Booze involved I'm guessing).

Now obviously I'm getting upset by the situation too, but still R says she doesn't know what the problem is, doesn't sound like C's ever discussed it with her either. So he wis going to have a chat with both of them separately to explain why he doesn't think it a great idea to come out with just them two/just R anymore.

I would fucking love to be privy to these chats believe me but dh says there is no way they will go for it and I agree tbh. I would like us all to sit round together and discuss it like adults but he says no way. So I think I'm going to allow it, and hopefully then that will be the end of it, one way or another.

I know you all probably think I'm a total mug, but he didn't have to show me their emails (admittedly there are other emails fro other times but I don't necessarily expect to see all his private correspondence.

So i am going to grit my teeth tonight (they are all out with other people) and tomorrow as that's when he's meeting R and C possibly.

We have been talking honestly and communicating well, way better than usual actually! Yes it still rankles a bit that he's friends with her, especially that he texted her on Christmas morning Angry and he says he's sorry for that.

Thanks so much everyone for taking the time to post. I am going to spend some time responding to your individual points in a bit.

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