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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 20/01/2011 20:04

Dress up and flirt with him? WTF? Ivy, I really can't believe you offered that up as a serious suggestion.

AnyFucker · 20/01/2011 20:07

yes, Ivy's suggestions should not be taken seriously

I thought she was usually a normal kinda poster ... Confused

Ivy...has someone hacked into your pc ?

atswimtwolengths · 20/01/2011 20:09

Your biggest ally has to be the supposed best friend of your husband. Where is he in all this? If she is just his girlfriend, why is he tolerating it?

SlightlyJaded · 20/01/2011 20:23

What ASTL said. Completely and utterly.

Out of interest, when your H made the remarks sboaut your marriage being stale and dull, did he simultaneously express any thoughts about how to revive it?

Thought not. Marriages do get stale and dull but as long as there is mutual respect and love, both partners are keen to do what they can to improve the situation.

He is planting the seeds of blame for the inevitable fallout of his actions and intended further actions. Calculating and cruel.

I am so sorry that you are going through this. You have been far too tolerant to date and need to assert your position in the relationship now, or accept the inevitable consequences.

I am sorry if that sounds harsh. I am so Angry on your behalf.

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 20:27

Exactly ASTL

Why isn't he kicking up a fuss at his GF going out clubbing with a married man, best friend or not.

I wouldn't like it. Who would?

Why isn't the best friend around?

Mymblesson · 20/01/2011 20:34

Sorry, but your husband has raised pisstaking to a fine art.

As others have said, he's putting the blame on you to excuse himself for what he is going/is about to do.

You need to tell him what you know and go away, for the weekend, leaving him with the children, while you work out what to do. This may be enough of a kick in the arse for him to sort himself out, but frankly if it's not, you'd be better off alone anyway. Don't take any more shit from this bellend.

And yes, what the hell is her boyfriend doing? What does he think in all this? Perhaps worth talking to him?

clam · 20/01/2011 20:34

I wouldn't worry about having looked at his phone. I look at DH's all the time. He couldn't care less. He'd look at mine too, if he wanted to. Or knew how to work it.

But then we've nothing to hide. But as it appears this (D)H has, don't allow him to deflect and muddy the waters about the rights and wrongs of you checking his phone. Dismiss that as irrelevant and press on with the main issue, i.e. what the ^hell does he think he's playing at? Don't be sidetracked.

Mymblesson · 20/01/2011 20:35
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Eurostar · 20/01/2011 20:49

Another voice here for why do you feel guilty for stating that you will not put up with him out to 2/3am every Friday, let alone with a single woman?

Was he on board to have babies before your peer group? I'm wondering if he was hesitant and this is why you are scared to push things now? The texting on Xmas morning while your DC are opening presents? Sounds very disrepectful to all of you and frankly very sad. This friendship seems a symptom of him looking for ways out of truly "being there" in the marriage. If you have fears around this, they need to be faced.

You looking at the phone is probably because you have sensed the change in him, even without realising it.

You have every right to say that you don't want him meeting her alone anymore, that it makes you uncomfortable. More importantly though he needs to really own up to why he is not giving more to the marriage.

OW needs to get a therapist if she needs someone to offload to - at the moment your DH is going into typical save Damsel in Distress mode and shag her along the way.

If you want to save your marriage, don't tell him to leave now, he'll just go off with her. I'd give it/him a chance to see if he will confront the difficulties once you tell him that you will not tolerate their meetings anymore.

cashmere · 20/01/2011 20:50

Hmmm don't often post but 'will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home', I would worry that this has already become physical.

Just read your post to DP who was open mouthed- and said 'that's so out of order he really is taking the piss'. Asked DP what he would suggest and he said to tell him that 'this stops now, stop seeing her'

AnyFucker · 20/01/2011 20:51

If you want to save your marriage, don't tell him to leave now, he'll just go off with her.

wave him off, with your blessing

what exactly is there to save ?

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 00:42

Replies over the last six hours have formed one of those mumsnet moments that make me into a stronger & wiser adult :) Thank you!

SJ32, listen to them. It's harsh but real.

ivykaty44 · 21/01/2011 09:45

I wanted to see whether every time it is suggested the woman kicks the male out without first considering that actually she may want to save her marriage for whatever reason

Come on let OP decide rather than keep telling her to get him to sling his hook

is't everyone either male or female allowed a mistake and a bringing back to reality?

Either way whether you kick him out or get him to stay OP it will be hard.

What I would do or what Op would do is different

what do you want OP? though with all the posts telling you to kick him out and get shot I don't knwo if you feel safe to come back and say and get advice.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 09:49

OP, how are you today ?

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 09:57

Sad well, my post 19 hours ago said I would tell him to fuck off, for days I seem to be writing in invisible type.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 10:01

PL, I get that feeling sometimes Smile

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 10:03

Grin weird isn't it.

Please come back op and let us know what you're thinking.

KangarooCaught · 21/01/2011 10:10

In your shoes, I would like to dissect dh's behaviour for him so his tosspottery is laid bare, just so he can't dress it up as anything buyt what it is. WWIFN & MissMehlia have given v good advice - as have others. His response will tell you if you have something worth saving & rebuilding....if, of course, you want to.

Scruffyhound · 21/01/2011 10:27

Sorry to hear this. I behaved like your husband a long time ago. I had been with my husband for 15 yrs (married for 3) we had our DS and he was even before then distant he loved his computer games and did not speak to me all night some nights. I used to go and talk to the back of his head and he would mutter ugg or whatever. When DS came nothing changed. I stuck it out for 2 yrs. I asked for marriage couciling and told him on several occasions this is crap its needs to change it did not. I went out with friends on friday nights I met my cousin and her husband and her husbands mate (who was single and a flirt) I was so desperate for attention and we had known each other for a while I went to his house one night and we kissed I cried and knew my marriage was over I had tried but to no avail. I split up with my husband a few weeks later and lived at my mums. I saw this man for a bit and ended up being used. I felt a horrible mess. I was still glad I had left husband. What im saying is has he tried to tell you right out that its not working? Or is he just looking for a way out? There is a big difference. And men are like kids the attention goes away from them to the kids and I think they get upset about their time with you. Well if they got their finger out of their arse and helped there would be that time together that there used to be. So if he uses sex or something like that you need to say that crap and if you help out more there would be time for more fun things together. Also its not just up to you to sort out a babysitter he could as well. He could do that and take you out and make the effort him self.

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 10:33
perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 10:52

Grin Mouseface

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 11:07

But IvyKaty that's the wrong analogy. If that OP's H were here posting, we'd be advising him to end the relationship and to stop letting his wife make a complete mug of him.

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 11:16

Morning perfumed Smile

ivy - why have you posted that link? This is a different side to the coin, no?

We don't know for sure that SJ's DH is having it off with his best mate's GF do we?

We are assuming he is (and I believe that he is) up to no good to one degree or another.

Actually, I talked to DH about this last night. He said that there's no way this is all innocent between the two of them.

He said he reckons that the GF fancies the hubby and would be happy to deprive his family of a father and a husband.

Yes, the DH should say no, I'm going home to be with my wife and children but he doesn't does he?

Why not?

Maybe he loves the attention that the GF is giving him? He maybe feels that 'this life' of clubbing and shouldering no responsibilites for those few hours, is the life he has lost or misses?

One thing is for sure, SJ should not be putting up with his disrespectful behaviour any longer.

Aren't they supposed to be going out tonight? The DH and GF?

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