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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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perfumedlife · 20/01/2011 14:24

Agree with WWIFN, of course he must not go along to meet her. That will be the nail in the marial coffin.

He must honestly think he has played you so damn well as a fool that it won't occur to you to ban this. He goes, the marriage ends.

In my opinion, anyway.It shows a deep lack of respect for you and the family.

perfumedlife · 20/01/2011 14:24

Marital, sorry Blush Angry fingers.

BelleBelicious · 20/01/2011 14:32

SJ - hope you are OK. I'm guessing this is all a bit difficult to hear.

You are sadly not the first person, nor will you be the last person, for something like this to happen to. I know this probably feels hideous, and it is, but lots of people get carried away with flirtations and lots of male/female friendships cross the line and in my opinion people are far too blase about them - I know I used to be. But they are how most affairs start.

Please don't think I'm defending him, I'm not at all - but everyone thinks it will never happen to them and when it does it's heartbreaking.

It doesn't have to be the end of your marriage. It can be a turning point, if he's willing to listen and put you and the kids first. Anyway, I wish you well, but remember your happiness is just as important as his (maybe even more so, if you're the one looking after the kids, they deserve a happy Mum, don't they?).

mummery · 20/01/2011 14:34

Wasn't there a poster on here recently whose H demanded to break off an affair (or maybe it was an EA?) in person ie by going for a private meeting with OW, and when the poster put her foot down and refused it really brought things to a head and accelerated a more truthful revealing of what had been going on between her H and this woman?

Sorry for poor grammar and not remembering exact thread, but anyway, OP, my point is that you need to be assertive and address this issue directly, even if it's tough. Worrying about how 'bad' you were in reading his phone or hoping their friendship might run a natural and inoffensive course is just a form of procrastination.

Also, I hope he isn't but if your H is keeping any kind of truth back from you, he will only continue to do so while you tread on eggshells around him.

He needs to man up but I doubt this will happen without a kick up the arse.

SunRaysthruClouds · 20/01/2011 14:46

SJ32 I have to say (from a man's pov)that your H is definitely taking the piss. Out of you and his 'BF' No man with respect for his W would do this.
The only possible other reason he might have is to make you jealous (thinking of your comment about his view of your relationship) but that is absolutely no excuse.
I don't always agree with everything that is said on MN but I would admit that we (men) will always take a yard when an inch is offered, and that yard will become a physical affair.
Give him a verbal (or physical) kick in the nuts and stop it now.
And talk it through together - positively.
Good luck

LittleMissHissyFit · 20/01/2011 14:55
minipie · 20/01/2011 15:14

Sounds like you've caught it exactly at the "crossing the line" turning point.

Can you say that to him? Something along the lines of "Look, I've seen how you are with R, and I've read your phone, and I can tell you are on the verge of something happening with R. Even if you don't know it, that is where it is heading. You have a choice right now. Walk away, stop seeing her (at least without me) and focus on your relationship with your wife and children instead. Or carry on and f*ck up your life, my life, the childrens' life and everyone else's."

snowpoint · 20/01/2011 15:33

Agree with minipie. Tackle it now. The worst thing you can do here is nothing.

And as for the OW involved, I wouldn't waste an ounce of pity on her. She's an adult, and she knows what she's doing. I would have as little to do with her as possible. If you do have to speak, I'd be very blunt with her. You owe her nothing.

Really though, if it weren't her, it may well be someone else. The responsibility lies with your H to sort out this mess or risk losing you.

FranSanDisco · 20/01/2011 15:46

Sorry, this sounds like my ex best friend. She insisted it was innocent and that the guy's wife was insane and had convinced her partner of 15 yrs that there was something going on. Guess who ex bessie mate lives with now?

Devendra · 20/01/2011 15:55

Im sorry but I wouldn't be wasting my energy trying to stop them meeting at the weekend.. he has already decieved you and has been having an emotional affair with this woman... It would be enough for me to end it. How can you trust anything he says?

Why would you want to stop them meeting? Its so degrading and humiliating... you may stop him meeting her but you can't stop him wanting her and wanting to contact her.. it will only be a matter of time...and he will resent and blame you.
tbh he sounds like a self indulgent twat!

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 16:36

SJ

Sad Sorry to read this thread. WWIFN has it spot on. It is an affair for many reasons but mainly, because he is hiding things from you because he knows how you will react.

If the shoe was on the other foot, he'd not be best pleased that's for sure.

It's odd that they e-mail each other all the time too.

It's rude of him to text her on Christmas morning when you are supposed to be having family time.

If my DH did that, I'd be delivering a swift kick in the cock as a reminder as to where his loyalties should lie.

It seems from where I'm sitting that this 'friend' Hmm is rather enjoying all the attention from your DH.

Perhaps a bit of a wind up merchant?

And the more she responds to his 'attention', the bigger his ego will inflate.

You can bet your life that if she wasn't up for partying 'til all hours he's be at home.

She's his partner in crime to some degree and I'm sure that they egg each other on.

I'm sorry but as soon as I read that they often go on to other places until 2/3am alone, alarm bells rang loud and clear.

Your DH may not be physically 'doing' anything currently, but I really don't think it will be long before he is whilst you are at home, raising his children, cooking, cleaning, taking care of him......

They have bothed crossed a line here, they are arranging to meet without telling you or her partner (via e-mail) and are too invloved with one another.

You must stop this from carrying on. As others have said you owe her nothing, no explainations, nothing.

This is your marriage V's your rocky friendship with a woman who you and others have disliked for a reason?

Maybe you picked up on what kind of person she was from the start IYSWIM?

Talk to your DH.

Be open and honest and tell him all this is making you feel.

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 16:41

'how' all this is making you feel.

Ormirian · 20/01/2011 16:43

"he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' "

For that and that alone I'd find it hard to forgive him Angry

LittleMissHissyFit · 20/01/2011 18:19

Dunno about stopping them meeting, I'd be flaming well tagging along to read them BOTH the riot act... I'd be roping in the BF too.

ItsGraceAgain · 20/01/2011 18:37

I'm glad something made you read that message, it marks the development of their relationship doesn't it? I would invite C & R over for dinner on Friday night. Before anyone gets drunk, I would raise the issue of how your marriage works and throw it open to the table. I would be prepared to ask them to discuss the content of the texts you found.

Basically, if R wants to keep on seeing C and act like a friend, she'll have to say DH shouldn't be leaving you alone all Friday night Wink If she doesn't, she'll tell you you're a silly old moaner and DH will have to decide which side he's on.

atswimtwolengths · 20/01/2011 18:49

I'm sorry, but I think this has gone beyond repair.

It's not just that he appears to be mad on another woman.

It's not just that he is disrespectful to you and his best friend in the way he behaves.

It's not just the fact that he was seen kissing her (wake up, for god's sake - how can a kiss not be a kiss? And even you say, OP, that it was inappropriately intimate body language.)

It's not even the way he is taking advantage of your good nature in going out till all hours every weekend, without a thought to you or his best friend.

It's the way he is blaming you for this. He has allowed the relationship to disintegrate and is blaming you for it - that is awful. He isn't hiding how he feels, he isn't ashamed of letting you see how involved he is, and yet he blames you for the marriage not being exciting enough? What kind of masochist tries to make a relationship exciting when the other party is having an inappropriate relationship with someone else?

You can't end someone else's relationship. You can tell him to stop talking to her - I doubt he'd pay even lip service to that, by the way - but you cannot stop him feeling the way he does.

Get rid of him now. Tell him to get out. Then phone your friend, C, and tell him what you've done and why. Then phone V (who saw them kissing) and tell him/her what's happened. Word will get around. You will keep the friendship group and they will be exiled from it.

You will be happier without him, believe me. It'll feel like you're on holiday, when he goes.

AnyFucker · 20/01/2011 19:08

thanks ASTL, you just posted what I was going to type

I completely agree

OP, stop being a mug

please

dittany · 20/01/2011 19:24

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msboogie · 20/01/2011 19:25

If you try to stop them meeting you will probably fail, but worse you will facilitate the romanticism of the whole thing. I would summon her and her bf round to the house then announce what you know and tell your DH he is dumped.

AnyFucker · 20/01/2011 19:26

any bloke that subjected me to the humiliation you are going through now would be history

no question

where is your self respect ?

spidookly · 20/01/2011 19:30

Well said atswim

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 19:33

Well, ASTL has just posted more or less what I had first thought and then typed out but deleted for fear of upsetting you. Blush

I'm afraid I too agree.

He's taking the piss and you're letting him.

Stop.

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 19:34

X posted with you all.

But agree.

(feeding DS so only got one hand to type, sorry if I keep X posting)

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Mumcentreplus · 20/01/2011 19:50

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