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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 23/01/2011 21:41

thanks, witchy x

thenightsky · 23/01/2011 22:23

It is Sunday - the day the DH was meeting R.... perhaps the OP has got her coat on, found a babysitter and gone out to see what is what. I hope so anyway.

blackcoffee · 23/01/2011 23:02

back in 2003 mn told me my 'd'p was an ass
I listened, but I had to realise it for myself
I did leave him, three years later
if anyone had pressured me at the time it would have had the opposite effect
in the end you have to make your own mind up op, good luck

toomanystuffedbears · 24/01/2011 13:24

Read the whole thread.
Interesting. Chuckles at the light or not so light interludes waiting for OP to post.

SJ, I am sorry that you are in a state of numbness. I can guess that getting stabbed in the heart so many times would do that.

Men can be rude beasts and can have a complete disconnect between the brain and penis to justify favoring the penis. Your husband may be one of these. Completely blind to the magnitude of what he is throwing away for a fuck.

I am sorry, but imho, when he announced to your face that he'd see R again-plainly and in the open...that is when he chose her over you. Not even hiding it anymore.

I believe, the discussion they 'need' to have isn't going to be about anything but their plans for Valentine's Day. Shock Angry Sad

On being agreeable and not nagging meaning one is a doormat: I think a point can be made without nagging and I understand long hours and passion for a job because I had one (as if child rearing doesn't qualify Hmm ). But in the case of playtime, expecially involving an OW-that is a horse of a different color.

If a man is going to cheat there isn't anything you can do about it- I think that is true. One can not make someone love you. HOWEVER-not protesting is tacit approval, isn't it? The lies are a bag of marbles thrown on the floor so you can not march directly to him and smack look him in the eye and say loud and clear: Don't go out with her again for any reason or we will divorce.

My feelings are guesses of course. SJ-your time out from the thread suggests that you don't want to believe it.

I hope that you do understand that you are a valid person and deserve respect and happiness. You do not have to settle for this degrading life your husband has arranged for you. Staying will teach your children that it is ok to do what your husband is doing and they will take it as a life long lesson whether they are a boy or a girl. Leaving him (he has already left you) Ending your marriage is for your own self respect/mental health, but it is also for your children's self respect/mental health (moral compass) as well. It is a leap and a bold stroke, but you can do it, as many have done before you.

Good luck.

SJ32 · 24/01/2011 22:42

Hello!

Well, contrary to public opinion and probably if I'm honest my better judgement, I am back with an update.

As you know, dh did go out on friday night. He texted regularly to reassure me and say he loved me and that there were other friends there and he left when they left. I can verify this easily as they are all my mates too. Over the weekend we talked a lot, I said that I thought it best that he not see R on her own anymore or even just C & R together without others there and he agreed.

He also signed us up to a babysitting agency so that we can go out together more, he is going to pay for this. Part of our difficulty has always been a lack of available babysitters meaning we rarely got time out together so I hope this will make a big difference.

I told him about this thread but he only read the first 6 pages or so, before it started to get a bit intense! As fucked up as it sounds, throughtout this horrible situation we have actually felt really close to eachother and communicated better than we ever have. He wasn't pissed off at me for reading his emails either. I didn't promise not to do it again though!

So, he did meet R yesterday. He said it was much the same as last time they met to talk about it, i.e a total waste of time. All he got were non-committal 'I don't knows' again. He will not be meeting her a 3rd time though, it's like flogging a dead horse so no point. Tonight he is out with C. He will hopefully get something more concrete as it was C that kicked off this whole shitstorm in the first place, but more than likely is that C will deny ever having said/thought anything.

I will more than likely be meeting up with C myself at some point, I agree that's what is needed for my peace of mind. dh has no issue with me doing this.

Re the issue of him going out drinking every week, call me a fucking mug if you want to but I actually have never really had a problem with him doing this until all this shit about R came up. I have no interest in going out that much, I quite enjoy having a quiet glass of wine on my own and watching a movie, or chatting to you fuckers on here even! Like I said, if I make plans then he is more than happy to stay in with the kids.

So as far as I'm concerned, the situation is not 100% resolved, I will still be keeping my eyes open and ears to the ground. He has to be totally honest if C or anyone else makes any comments again, if that happens we will have to review things. I know most of you don't believe me and think I'm an idiot but actually, I am not. I am a strong and intelligent woman and I know my dh. He has been very honest all through this, even when I know he got have got away with lying.

Yes the email I read looked bad. Yes i thought it sounded like an EA. Yes he could be bullshitting me about the real meaning of 'you're in my head a bit' etc but you know, I have known him half my life and I just don't think he is. If I am wrong and he ends up sleeping with her or going off with her, well c'est la vie - he will be out and we will be over.

Now, I know that I will meet more of the same responses as before, and that's ok. I get that you are trying to be helpful, I really do (apart from you pink4ever but never mind, I had to get at least one obligatory troll-caller). I particularly have to mention tammybears epic post, while it wasn't exactly what i wanted to read it was really well-thought out and empathic, so thank you very much Smile

And AF, bless you! I am nowhere near Manchester unfortunately but what an offer - thanks so much!

Also, patheticisntit and lyingwitch - you raised some great points and were very reassuring. At one point I did feel incredibly 'got at' and bullied. I have never posted a thread on relationships before and tbh after this experience I don't think I would again. I'm sorry if that may sound whingy and pathetic and like I said I know that people usually have good intentions. Straight talking is one thing, I'm a pretty straight talker myself, but being told that my dh doesn't love me, that he fucked someone when I was in Dubai (a fucking year ago about 10 months before any of this shit kicked off), that I am stupid, gullible, a mug was just hurtful and horrible.

I know that many of you on here have been hurt yourselves in the past and want to stop others from being in the same position and that's really lovely and commendable. I just don't think you can overgeneralise, yes in many situations like mine the dh is being a cheating scumbag but not always. Like I said, I have my eye on things, and if he takes the piss and crosses MY boundaries (not just the boundaries others think I should have), he'll be out. And guess where I'll be coming straight back to to say 'you were right all along ladies, pass the gin!'.

So, cheers ladies - it's been emotional. I genuinely thank everone for taking the time to post, even if the majority did make for tough (and at times rather hysterical) reading.

SJ.x

OP posts:
GORGEOUSX · 24/01/2011 22:56

Thank you for posting - I was worried that you'd been driven into a deep depression. Good luck.

clam · 24/01/2011 23:06

Appreciate you coming back to update.
All the best...

Doha · 24/01/2011 23:09

Just read the entire thread tonight

Good luck for the future as l fear you will need it.

Your DH has played a blinder and dug himself out a hole. He deserves an award for ingenuity.

You have been played for a fool and you fell for it. Shame..

KerryMumbles · 24/01/2011 23:13

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tammybear · 24/01/2011 23:13

I'm so glad you came back! I've got my fingers crossed for you that all works out well :)

KangarooCaught · 24/01/2011 23:13

What a generous post SJ, and do hope very much that all goes well with you and dh. I think people did feel they had piled in and retracted a bit at the end, ime the virago comes out in MN if they fear a fellow MNer is being taken for a ride. Good that dh read some posts, if only to see what it looked like to outsiders, and v glad that you are much reassured.

winnybella · 24/01/2011 23:18

'Yes he could be bullshitting me about the real meaning of 'you're in my head a bit' etc but you know, I have known him half my life and I just don't think he is.'

There could be NO other logical explanation for that message. You know that.

You've been made a fool of.

But if you choose to live in denial than that's your choice. Good luck.

AnyFucker · 24/01/2011 23:21

Thank you for the update SJ

I have to say, I don't believe him. There are just too many things that don't add up. I would tell a RL friend the same thing, however, I promise you that most unequivocally. The main condemnation for me is last friday night when you were off the scene and he engineered a way to be alone with her (again) by dumping the kids and his further "meetings" that are for what exactly ? All right under your nose.

I think the reason your thread got OTT and hysterical is that people were sooooooo concerned at the way it appeared from the outside, looking in. And that you disappeared, so it looked like you were ignoring the responses and people cranked it up to try and make you "hear" IYSWIM

Not that you are under any obligation to answer everyone and can post if and when you like of course !. You have to take replies on the chin though and acknowledge they are trying to help, which it appears you have, so kudos to you for that.

So enough from me, and I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say I hope you are OK, I hope your H realises what he has in you and his family and this situaion does not blow it ino a million pieces. He is a very lucky man. There are many men who would no longer be married after the way he has acted, that is for sure....make sure he remembers that.

all the best xx

dittany · 24/01/2011 23:22

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AnyFucker · 24/01/2011 23:24

I think it doesn't matter now what we believe.

It's all been said. All that matters is that SJ is comfortable with her situation.

perfumedlife · 24/01/2011 23:25

Yes, very best of luck OP x

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 24/01/2011 23:40

I have a great deal of respect for anyone who comes back to a thread to update and close it, so thank you for that OP. I hope that your trust is well-founded and your future boundaries, more explicit. Good luck for the future.

SlightlyJaded · 24/01/2011 23:42

Thank you for the update OP. It is always nice when someone takes the trouble.

I am glad you are feeling positive. I hope things turn out as you hope. But if they don't, maybe some of the advice you have been given here will help you at a later stage. I hope it doesn't come to that.

ItsGraceAgain · 25/01/2011 00:53

I respect your thoughtful reply and your openness to getting your marriage back on track. I really hope this works. If H doesn't know how lucky he is to have you, send him round here and I'll make sure of it!!

Yes, please do speak with C and all the other people in your group. The more you get the whole farrago out into the public domain, the better for you and for your relationship :)

BelleBelicious · 25/01/2011 04:16

Want to wish you all the best too SJ, and yes, it must have been harrowing posting on here and getting all this avalanche of 'advice', but then you were deeply upset about your DH's behaviour, weren't you?

I don't blame you for siding with your DH. I did that when my DH had his first (that I know of) affair. So I am one of those women who has been through lots of crap and maybe is transferring too much of her own life - or maybe I'm someone who can spot the signs a mile off?

And talking of signs, you do KNOW that the 'you're in my head' and the texts on Christmas morning, and a host of other things, don't actually fit with his explanation, don't you?

If you are lucky (and I really hope you are) your DH will have got the sharp kick up the arse he needed from this and changed his ways. If you are unlucky, then he will have gotten away with it and it will reoccur a few years down the line with someone else and he will hide the signs better. I truly hope it's the former.

I do have one important piece of advice. This woman, R, is toxic. Keep clear, don't trust her, don't go near her. I think there is a touch of arrogance (sorry, that's a harsh word, and I recognise it in myself too sometimes) about your view of her. You are more popular and confident than her - good for you. But a lot of men (especially immature men, who think their wives should keep them happy at all times) are particularly susceptible to the vulnerable, needy 'you are the centre of my world and I think I might have to shag you' lost, little girl. Your DH has already put his marriage and his relationship with his BF at risk for her. Please don't underestimate the attraction or think that men won't have affairs with women who aren't as attractive, kind or intelligent as their wives. She sounds like a real piece of work (and speaking from experience, I'm afraid) they do exist, and they have no issue shagging your DH whilst pretending to be your friend.

All the best
BB

givemesomespace · 25/01/2011 08:04

Good luck SJ - massively impressed that you came back to update us. Hope it goes well.

prettywhiteguitar · 25/01/2011 08:57

Hey I have been lurking on your thread hoping that you would update us, Thank you for coming back, I'm sure that the mners on here really didn't want to make you feel bullied at all, its just hard when you have been through something similar and see the signs in someone elses relationship.

I hope this an EA that has been avoided, cause thats the feeling that I got, my back story is that my ex was having an EA with his work collgue whilst I was pregnant and 6mths after our sons birth, so you see they can last a long time before anything needs to happen. My problem was that I just wasn't around to stop it happening, I didn't go out till 3am every weekend.

I really hope that your DH sits up and takes note that you will notice if anything further happpens and that puts him off. If theres any help in this advice it was that a lot of people in the group knew that my ex wasn't doing the right thing by me (not obviously but there were rumours) and chose not to interfere....although I heard all about it a while later

Time together as a couple is very important so I hope you get this as it really is a commitment to you that he wants you around if he organises and pays for a babysitter. Best wishes for you and your little family :)

Sossiges · 25/01/2011 11:08

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. Dont take any crap and follow your instincts are my final words (almost). All the best in the future & don't be afraid to come back Smile.
(Nips off to the shops for some bottles of gin...)

Mouseface · 25/01/2011 11:26

Glad you came back SJ, that couldn't have been easy.

Good luck. I hope this works out how you want it to. Smile

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 25/01/2011 11:38

You sound in control now, SJ, whatever happens in the future, hang on to the feeling that you have the right to make decisions for yourself and take the paths you want to take.

Good luck, everybody is rooting for you. :)