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My father (married 25 years) frequently "secretly" using gay porn

291 replies

TotallyFrozen · 31/12/2010 00:08

Hi all, I am so grateful for the name change feature on this. I am posting here because hopefully there are many women on here who would be in a similar-length marriage to my mother and it is her welfare that I am concerned about here. Sorry this will be long-ish.

In a nutshell: My father is an unlikeable and difficult person. He rarely helps around the house, usually disagrees with whatever is said seemingly for the sake of being difficult, gets very angry and defensive if anyone criticises him (screams, makes threats towards you, threatens to leave), and spends his days rotating between sleeping, eating, watching TV, and using the computer. Unfortunately the feeling that I and my sibling have towards him is contempt, even though we wish we could have a good relationship with him. He has some good points (financial contributions, nice towards our pets). He has a history of falling out with others but always blames them, and has few friends or people he gets along with. The "narcissistic personality disorder" description rings very true for him (and I say this as someone who works in the mental health field). This description is basically "the tip of the iceberg".

My mother, whilst an imperfect human like all of us, is a kind and caring woman who is very selfless and giving.

The problem: My father is constantly looking up gay porn on the home computer. He has been doing this for probably 13 years, though my sibling and I only became certain of it around 2-3 years ago. Previously we attributed things we found (videos/ pictures hidden away in folders, constant viruses on the computer, etc.) to viruses, etc. He has been doing this since we were both children. Once we realised what was happening, we decided to install K9 (a child internet protection program) on all our home computers to at least stop the behaviour in the house. I know that there may be an argument against trying to control someone's use of porn but considering his horrible behaviour at home, we felt that it was awful of him to disrespect my mum in her home in this way whilst using her for her domestic services. I am OK with being criticised for this decision and would be interested in differing perspectives. My mum is not very good with technology and has no inkling of his behaviour. He thinks he is hiding his tracks, but he is not as good as he thinks he is with technology either.

Anyway, increasingly I am realising that installing programs that prevent him from accessing these sites constantly (i.e., every night once everyone has gone to bed, during the day when no-one is behind him) is only addressing a symptom rather than the core problem. He is now searching for images on Google images and on social networking type-sites which the internet protection program cannot block without blocking ALL such sites. It really angers me that he uses and puts down my mum during the day, then goes behind her back and does this most nights. My post is prompted by the fact that he did this last night and didn't even bother trying to cover his tracks by deleting his history. Is he WANTING to be discovered? Initially I was shocked finding this out, but I've now had 3 years to become semi-desensitised to it all.

My mum describes him as "a good man, though he has his problems" and has spoken in the past about how she is happy to be part of a couple and be financially secure. Most of his behaviour, she has learnt to "let go", because he gets so nasty when criticised. It is like we all tiptoe around him. They have been married around 25 years. I'm quite sure they have no sex life anymore (I say this because he sometimes goes off for "massages" twice a week or so - they seemed legitimate but I'm aware that gay porn might not be all that he's seeking out and I wouldn't want my mum's health at risk).

My question is: What do I do? His seeking out of gay porn is pervasive and frequent; before I put K9 on our computers he was doing it constantly and just minimising the screen when someone would walk past. I haven't brought up the topic, just passive-aggressively installed K9 and refused to remove it when he asked me to. We got some new computers and he installed K9 first so he could have control over what he viewed, and was watching all the porn again. Luckily I was able to hack into it, uninstall it, and put in a new version of K9 that I have control over. It is like this ridiculous passive-aggressive dance back and forth between us; however I do not feel it is my right to potentially destroy my parents' marriage by publicising what's going on.

I'm basically wondering, from women in long marriages, what you would want if this were your husband, and what issues might be important for me to consider? Should I remain quiet, talk to my father privately, tell my mum - what?

OP posts:
Appletrees · 31/12/2010 10:22

Possible eyes? Possible stds.

Appletrees · 31/12/2010 10:26

I cross posted with falling and laughing. Now THAT is a helpful post.

LoveBeingADaddysGirl · 31/12/2010 10:47

Sorry another who thinks you mother is accepting of her situation. Bit may well all come out after your father has gone or it might nit. Your mother is a different generation, what she would put up with you would never entertain.

The only possible way that I can see youhaving an influence would be to encourage your mum to gave more interests outside the home, build her self confidence and stop her life ending at the front door. Younever know she may decide she wants more from life. In her own way she seems 'happy' with her lot.

An unpopular comment coming up I'm sure, could this help you to understand your father a little more? If he is gay, how unhappy and sad his life has been that he could nit be the person he is. This is not to justify or excuse any of his behaviour, just saying that in your professional head you could perphaps see how his behaviours have been influenced by having to live a lie?

onmyfeet · 31/12/2010 10:54

I agree with what fallingandlaughing posted.

MrsDmitriTippensKrushnic · 31/12/2010 10:56

No one is saying it's inappropriate to want to help, what people are saying is that the way the OP is going about it is wrong. She is not the one being cheated on (maybe, possibly. Nowhere has there been any definite 'he is having sex with someone else') She cannot fix her parents relationship her parents have to do that, but she is reacting and acting as if it's her responsibility.

I don't think the fact that it's gay porn is much more than a red herring tbh. Porn is porn. Cheating is cheating. Obviously you could see it as a reason why he could be unpleasant (secretly gay, forced into a marriage by pressures of a heterosexual society, takes it out on wife and kids) but that's not going to help the OP or her mother atm.

OK, OP. Tell your Mum that you keep finding porn. Ask her if she thinks he could be gay, but realise that from then on in you have to butt out, except where it effects you directly. You can support her but she's an adult, she can deal with it anyway she chooses to.

There are threads and threads on MN that prove that you cannot make people leave abusive relationships, or even acknowledge that there is a problem until they are ready to do so. You must take a step back, for your own sake even if not for your parents.

Curiousnamechange · 31/12/2010 10:57

I totally disagree with the posters saying it isn't anything to do with you. He has done it so much that his children have found him out. I would not behave in such a passive aggressive way - he has involved you in the whole situation. I would speak to him with calm and care about why he is doing it and whether your mum knows. Try to be supportive to him instead of angry and passive aggressive. Find out how he feels and why he is doing it and encourage him to speak to your mum. I don't think you should be a go between in their relationship but you are his daughter, you know something difficult and secret and you may be able to love and support him. Whatever anyone thinks about the morality of porn, anything you feel the need to keep secret in a marriage risks undermining it and I think this is a fairly important secret especially if he may be having secret extra marital sex.

MrsDmitriTippensKrushnic · 31/12/2010 10:58

affects not effects. Poo

MrsDmitriTippensKrushnic · 31/12/2010 11:11

I should say actually that I do have sympathy for the OP to a certain extent. My parents relationship was hugely dysfunctional - my Dad is/was a narcissistic, drunken, abusive manwhore and if it was obvious to me from a young age then it definitely was to my Mum although you'd never believe it from her behaviour. I broke my heart many times trying to understand it and why my Mum lived like that and I know I treated her the way the OP does - lovely, but ultimately a bit dim for not seeing what I could see, but she was a product of her time too. You put up with the crap because that's what you signed up for (bollocks of course)

Eventually she left him, and it was a massive relief, but that was a choice she made and had nothing to do anyone else, even me.

4andnotout · 31/12/2010 11:19

On one hand his narcistic personality does sound hard to live with, but his perusal of gay porn shouldn't really be an issue to your relationship, I have looked at gay male porn and I'm a straight woman it's not a huge deal IMO. If your mum knows about the massages and porn etc surely it's up to her how she deals with their relationship.

RealName · 31/12/2010 11:29

My friend had a very stressfull year or so trying to decide if she should tell her mother or not. In the end she moved out and that seemed to take the pressure off somewhat. It's become a case of out of sight out of mind and it doesn't stress her out anymore.

I'm sure her parents still have problems in their marriage, but frankly the chance of my friend being able to solve them is slim.

moondog · 31/12/2010 11:34

You live in his house and yet you want to police his habits?
Bloody hell, that's outrageous.
Nothing to do with you.
Snout out.

Appletrees · 31/12/2010 11:48

Moondog, you think she's outrageous for caring about her mum? So glad you're not my daughter.

Appletrees · 31/12/2010 11:53

Mrsdmitri, yes people are implying qnd sayinutright that she is being inappropriate, interfering, outrageous blah blah. Rubbish.

StuffingGoldBrass · 31/12/2010 11:58

She is being inappropriate and interfering because sticking her beak in is going to make the situation worse, not better. It's not other people's business to police a relationship unless and until one of the partners asks for help and support.
And all this 'Wah, wah, PORN!' is a red herring when the man has clearly been unpleasant in all sorts of ways for years and yet the wife is accepting of it.

Appletrees · 31/12/2010 12:04

It is not inappropriate at all to see your father cheating and want to help your mum. What a joke.

allnightlong · 31/12/2010 12:06

frozen I am stunned at your obsessive meddling behaviour into your parents marriage it just isn't normal you need some form of help for yourself.

allnightlong · 31/12/2010 12:09

appletrees it's one thing to be supportive it's another to try and control by putting softwear onto her fathers computer.

Her mother must be aware of what is going on yet for many years has turned a blind eye to it, that her choice as a woman living in a free society she's allowed to stay married regarless of what others feel about it.

Curiousnamechange · 31/12/2010 12:10

SGB - I dont think "wah, wah, wah porn". I do think "wah, wah, wah, secrets". I'm not into the passive aggressiveness either. If she is worried about it she should talk to her dad, which obviously would be difficult and embarrassing but installing software and making veiled comments will not help. Neither would running off telling tales to her mum without knowing whether her mum needs to be told or what is really going on.

Appletrees · 31/12/2010 12:13

I agree with curious. This is q serious issue qnd she has been involved by her father and it is appropriate to consider whether she has a role and what it should be. La la diddlums and "snout out" are ludicrous responses.

MrsDmitriTippensKrushnic · 31/12/2010 12:16

Appletrees What they are saying is the way she's doing it is inappropriate, not that caring is inappropriate full stop. Support, not taking over and interfering. There is a difference. The OP has crossed a line between the two.

allnightlong · 31/12/2010 12:22

Frozen 'Also, my personal belief that you should have an accurate idea of who you are married to.'

Bless you you are massively naive (and I'm betting not married or ever been in a long term relationship) to assume after 25 years your mother doesn't know who she's married too!

My grandparents had been married 40 years and even without internet and meddling children she was aware her husband was gay she just didn't feel the need to discuss it as it was private between them.

How do you know your parents have never talked about it between them? How do you know your mother isn't turning a blind eye?

As for the 'communal computer' if you didn't pay for it then it's your parents computer. Your finances shouldn't be your parents problem if you cant afford your own laptop or flat then you need to learn to respect your parents space and privacy.
Meddle any further and you may be shocked when BOTH your parents kick you out.

larrygrylls · 31/12/2010 12:24

Appletrees,

Caring and being a snooping spy and a censor are not the same thing. A caring daughter might discuss things with her mother and/or father or would leave well alone. Any other behaviour is just creepy.

And, the fact that a parent allows an (adult) child to use their computer does not entitle them to spy on the history. It is like borrowing someone's diary to check when the clocks change and "accidentally" reading through it. Just plain despicable behaviour.

sakura · 31/12/2010 12:28

I agree 100% with mathanxiety , who is the only person on this thread who has actually been in the same sitution as the OP's mother. OP, I would listen to mathanxiety before anyone else on here, and tell your mother.
But heed the warning, that she may not thank you. OTOH, it may be the final push she needs to get the hell out of her marriage

oh, and PMSL at all the people who say you should keep your father's dirty little secret for him. What a joke

larrygrylls · 31/12/2010 12:29

Allnightlong,

RE the "communal" computer; exactly. You cannot bite the hand that feeds you. The OP likes to live in a nice comfortable house and have lots of nice possessions, paid for by her parents. Yet, at the same time, to censor her own father.

Where does that MASSIVE sense of ENTITLEMENT come from? She deserves to be kicked out.

proudnscaryvirginmary · 31/12/2010 12:52

What an unpleasant, aggressive, hostile, downright nasty bunch of responses here attacking the OP with such obvious relish.

The OP may or may not have been right to get involved in the way she has, but I think it's clear her heart is in the right place and she has suffered at the hands of her father for many years.

I agree with Sakura and Mathanxiety and I wish you luck Frozen.

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