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"But we took you to Stately Homes!" - Dysfunctional parents?

1002 replies

ItsGraceAgain · 01/11/2010 21:19

It's October 2010, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 21:13

Have xposted again- sorry not ignoring just didnt see posts in between.

ftp I am overdrawn- On two accounts. I know exactly where you are coming from and actually thank you for writing/sharing that because you have just identified a piece of the puzzle for me when you said you get nasty to get the reaction you deserve.
I suffer with depression, have for many many years and I think this is why they say it is anger turned inwards.
It is so hard to see though when in this state of mind that this is what you have been taught by their abuse. The black and white thinking, the inability so self soothe and nurture. Grrr bloody toxic parents.

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 21:17

(((ftp)))). You are a good mum. A good person. You dont deserve the parents you got. Bloody bad luck that is.
Read back over your post about your day out together. It will remind you who you really are!
There is a voice telling you you are crap...would it help to name it?

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 21:18

Also ...pssst dont tell anyone but MOST women struggle especially with their first baby. There is no such thing as perfect!

findingthepath · 13/12/2010 21:21

My Husdand is so different from my family and its really have to acept the love and undrestanding when i was never showen it before.

He has never shouted at me in the 6 years i have known him. I find myself Envy when he is with his mum and dad and they still tell him they love him and do nice things for him. I'm just not use to it.

When i feel like this i start to spirel downwards and it allways ends up with me wanted a devoice (sp?) or trying to selfharm. then i feel bad as i feel like i'm not giving my son a good home and i feel worse.

I also try to distroy myself and my life i always try to push people away and be alone when really i need people to love me and to help me but in RL i'm incabable of asking for that help.

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 21:27

But its understandable ftp. Your mother let you down so very badly and that is where you learnt mistrust instead of trust.
Your husband loves you and accepts you as you are.

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 21:28

And that is because he sees the real ftp beneath all those mechanisms you have had to put in place to survive.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 13/12/2010 21:32

Oh ftp, I could have written that. I do exactly the same. Sometimes, it hurts more to be given love than the pain you are used to. It's easier to accept because it's what you know.

GraceAwayInAManger · 13/12/2010 21:34

ehh, trs, we seem to be coincidentally tangential!!??!

I'm going to ramble. No apologies. I think I started rejecting my 'construct' before I'd realised what was happening. I recall some oddly vicious comments made by friends, where they seemed to have observed changes in me that I hadn't noticed ... one standout remark was "You've reinvented yourself". I thought, hang on a minute, I'm not Madonna! But there were others like it, delivered with equal hatred. Perhaps I naturally attracted friends with similar hidden issues? It's not unlikely. Perhaps my changes - unconscious as they were - threatened their constructs. I can't see how else I might have triggered such fear and loathing.

A couple of current threads here have highlighted, for me, that I was in a state of dichotomy when I got involved with X#2. I remember feeling surprised by my (adverse) reactions to his contempt for women and for the law. But I had no vocabulary to express my feelings - don't know what I did say; he would have discounted my words as the little woman's ramblings anyway! But I'm sure I was still acting and being as always, though my feelings were changing inside. The woman he married wasn't the woman I felt I was. I've only just started to see that for what it was.

So then, for ages, I began learning how to reject the values, the construct and the self that I had grown up with. After my breakdown, it became obvious that this rejection was so imperative for me, my choices were: reject it or die. Going back was longer an option. Rather alarmingly, I've only just begun to get an idea of what can replace the 'me' I've rejected. The whole of the past ten years has been about de-construction: emptying myself, almost.

One by one, a piece at a time, I've been (I am) identifying, querying and throwing away the beliefs & ideas that make 'me' what I was. It's frightening. It's the caterpillar's liquification. The weirdest thing is this: As I encounter healthier constructs & belief systems that feel more like who I want to be ... they feel obvious. All along, there has been a 'me' who thinks & feels more like AnyFucker, to choose a shining example, than like the person I was. And I think this is why everybody found me a little strange. My life & actions did not match my thoughts & words.

I've totally out-rambled myself now, and need a break!! Sorry for the dearth of replies to your recent posts: they're all thought-provoking :)

honolulu · 13/12/2010 21:41

ftp I push people away at times too, because feeling on my own is perversely more 'comfortable' sometimes. Please be kind to yourself by owning up to your DH about your financial situation so you can work through it together, then come up with a practical plan so at least you are moving forward constructively.

I'm about to do my big this is my issue post. Brace yourselves, it could be long Wink

NemoTheRedNosedFish · 13/12/2010 21:51

Oh Grace yes
If only I could have 'channelled' AnyFucker and not put up with all the shit I did, because I thought I deserved to be punished.

I let my dodgy boyfriend rape me when I was 16. It's a toss up who was more messed up, me or him. But I let him. I don't know what kind of person does that. Only now am I able to say it 'out loud' / admit it to my husband. And look back and see the hurt it caused.

Bring on the dissolving caterpillar says I. (quote of the week lol)

piranhamorgana · 13/12/2010 22:19

Grace and Nemo- Thank you.Yes .totally. me too.

I let soo many people do so many things,so many times.

And like honolulu,pushed people away - often to rush back to a nasty situation - more comfortable...aaaghhh

Yes,yes and yes. to everything.

But the new,strong me who would now never allow any of this,may just be so tough and capable that I may not be able to reveal softer aspects of myself...in case I melt into a puddle of needy love-craving,(mother love craving?)stupidness...

So is the tough,capable ,strong woman who doesn't need to be rescued anymore ,keeping away those who might offer love in case they are overwhelmed by my craving for being held.

Can't have unconditional love as an adult.If you never had it as a child,you won't find it in a romantic relationship,partnership,friendship etc.

I realise I must love myself and nurture my inner hurt child.I do.I 'm pretty good at that ,on the whole.

But I crave being held.And loved.

Wasn't going to say all that,but it just came out.

dissolving caterpillar emoticon

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 22:19

nemo Sad. Still thinking on what my construct was but I dare say it too could have benefited from some anyfucker channelling.
I played the needy, useless...please help me I am powerless construct. So I guess it would follow that people I related/befriended had a vested interest in me remaining helpless.
That wasnt who I was at all and I realise that now. Parents taught me very well that independence and power meant abandonment.
So when friends behaved the same way it compounded that belief.
Interesting i have married a man who likes rescuing I think. Mil to an even bigger extent. When I first gave up work, I barely heard from her because I was in a position to take over reins of childcare. You see there it was again, deconstruct-power=abandonment.

honolulu Im waiting Smile

MummieHunnie · 13/12/2010 22:21

Nemo, you want to know what sort of person allows someone to rape them, go and have a look at that thread that I read at one stage, about sub/dom!

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 22:23

phm perhaps it takes time to find the right balance? to get the boundaries just right...or to tune in to our intincts and listen and react accordingly.
I'd like to be able to feel vulnerable with people who i trust implicitly but learn to hold back from those who haven't yet earnt it? I still hesitate because Im never completely sure.

MummieHunnie · 13/12/2010 22:26

TRS, re the rescuing thing, I noticed today that former bf is a rescuer, as was I, probably still am I...

What was interesting today regarding the meeting with former bf, is that she thought I was different in that I brought up uncomfortable things about our friendship ending, she said I would not have done that before, I said I don't want to hurt people, and judging from the response from her, I didn't, I have the right to work through past issues with someone prior to starting up a relationship with them again!

MummieHunnie · 13/12/2010 22:28

Grace, regarding the catterpillar thing, I feel that I am nearly a butterfly now, I feel I am peeking out, sniffing the air etc!

MummieHunnie · 13/12/2010 22:29

finding, what are your plans for tomorrow?

piranhamorgana · 13/12/2010 22:29

Yes,trsf. I agree totally.

therealsmithfield · 13/12/2010 22:33

mh i think its when the rescuing is bordering on control. I have a friend who I have had unseasy feelings about recently. I think she feels more comfortable controlling others. I used to allow that dynamic because a) I was used to it, so it was comfortable b) I want/ed people to like me, and being so attuned to others needs I would know I had to comply...say things like 'what do you think?' and please them by giving them contol.
Sounds like you are laying down new foundations up front. Be prepared for her to keep testing your new boundaries though.

GraceAwayInAManger · 13/12/2010 23:05

pm, it was sad to read your "I crave being held. And loved." But then, you care for & nurture your inner child and I have difficulties there.

Today I felt very ... abandoned, and needed a very very long shower. I trained warm water over various parts of my body - especially my arms, neck & back - for comfort. It reminded me of how I used to need that every day, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, plus a massage, a shag Blush or sometimes all of them. That was before I realised what was wrong. Without even noticing it, I've become more 'comforted' in myself. I hug myself before I go sleep Grin and have comforting things with me. The 'old' me would have found that freakish - strangely enough I think I am now more self-sufficient than when I was oh-so-independent.

A while back, I made some virtual waves for a game. (They weren't very good!) I had to read up on wave formation, because I realised the enchantment of waves lies in the fact that they are regular & rhythmic (orderly) but each behaves differently from the others (individual). I see this recovery business as similar: we're each building & retreating, moving forward in the same way - and each in an individual pattern. Each recovery follows the same overall path, creating a totally unique shape as it goes.

... so, melting into a gooey philosophical syrup of wine, thoughts & fairy lights, I'd better go to bed - with my FURRY hot water bottle Xmas Grin Wink

findingthepath · 13/12/2010 23:47

Depression is angry turned inwareds - Yes i agree i'm angry that my "Family" was mean to me and they did not undrestand me or not like me.

The negative me is the inner pearent i had as a child that i have not got rid of yet (but i will)

I too attract the rescuing type of person both my husband and best friend but i am stronger as i am still here and i easily could not be.

Needing to love my self - i have a long way to go on the point so i will come back to it at a later date!

Today i have achieve stoping my stirleing downweards and changed my actions (thanks you you guys Grin

I told my husband we have more coming in in a few days and it will be ok.

I noticed my son picks up on my mood and was acting up but i stayed calm and he went to sleep happy.

Tomoro i will think about what was said here and find new ways to stop my distructive behaviour and hopefully move one step forward to being the person i want to be and become stronger.

Nemo hugs and hugs i'm sorry you went thro that Sad I was 19 when i let my ex boyfriend tie me to the bed and it was fun untill he didn't stop and then it was not so much fun and when i said no he laught and did not stop, i broke his bed getting free but then i still contuined to go out with him. We all make mistakes Sad

Honolulu Welcome and i'm waiting Smile

honolulu · 13/12/2010 23:49

OK here goes. Trying to keep it as brief as poss.

I had very controlling parents. My former therapist described them as extremely narcissistic. They controlled every area of my life. They did this by being physically abusive and also being incredibly emotionally abusive. On two occasions when I was a teenager living at home, after I disagreed with my father and had a mind of my own, he stopped talking to me for four months at a time.It took me a long time to emotionally break away, but I did so in my mid-to-late 20s, well before starting my own family.

I confronted them with the abuse when I was about 30. They denied it and said I was delusional. They stopped talking to me (again). I had DD. My mother wanted to see her. Eventually, some years later, I said she could provided she heard me out. She did. She still denied stuff, but I wasn't buying her bullshit any more and I was able to express what I felt about her and my father's parenting. I agreed that she could see my DD provided that she treated me with respect. We agreed we would try and have a relationship as adults. It is important to mention here that my parents, but especially my mother, treated my brother v differently, i.e. they didn't abuse him.

So for the past few years, my mother has come about once a month to see my dc. She hasn't asked, but I do not let her take them out on her own (except to the park which literally backs onto my garden so I can see them from our windows).

My father has met my dc at family gatherings but as he is still not really talking to me, my children have never been to my parents house or seen my father more than a couple of times a year, if that. On all these occasions my father has been rude/aloof/downright odd/bullying towards either DH or I. On the other hand, he has been a delight towards the children and DD really took to him.,

Earlier this year , after my father was extremely rude to me at a family gathering and my mother yet again let him get away with it, I decided that I would no longer go to any family gathering if my father would be there. DH agreed with this. It was difficult, but I explained this in simple terms to my DD and she understood Sad. I also told my brother by way of explaining why we wouldn't be at my niece's 1st birthday party.

Anyway, I really struggle emotionally at Christmas because of my family situation. I always feel a loss so keenly. Although my mother and I have a relationship now, I have really moved on emotionally and I just can't engage with her. She knows very little about my life, and it is a struggle for me to talk to her when she's over sometimes. I am always polite though, because I believe in treating people with manners and respect as a matter of principle, and particularly in front of my children. Inside though, I still have a lot of anger and cannot comprehend how she could treat her child like that - feelings that are only growing as DD does.

My mother would like a closer bond with me and has tried to do this. To be fair, she treats me with respect now and is complimentary. She keeps offering to take me out for lunch and I've been once or twice but I can't give her more than polite chat. I've just switched off. She is, I have to admit,a very good grandmother within the limitations I have set. She would adore to see my children more, and often tries to, but I subtly keep it at once a month or so. She spoils them with presents.

So, my issue is that this Christmas me, DH and the kids are going away for a massive Christmas holiday to fab places. We'll be away nearly a month. We so need this after a very difficult year and it's an important break for me and DH emotionally - it has big significant meaning.

Part of the reason we chose to do it is because we (DH and I) both really struggle at Christmas. DH has an actively difficult mother, whereas I have a dormantly difficult mother Wink and an incredibly difficult father. Our sibling relationships are also strained on both sides.

So while my brother and his family go to my parents' for christmas, we never get invited. I have to say, I feel very bitter about this. Not because I want to go - I really don't! - but because it's just not fair, not fair, not fair. I'll never get over the unfairness of how I got the shit and my brother didn't.

I haven't told my mother we are going away, even though it's been booked for ages. She has been trying to arrange a time to come and see the children the past few weeks and I've put her off. Mostly because it hasn't been convenient, and with us going away in under a week, time is limited. However, I am also feeling very emotionally stressed and low at the moment and am just hanging on until our break. So I haven't felt emotionally strong enough to see her, even though she does 'behave' herself and is there primarily for the children. I know she is annoyed that I'm saying 'no can do' to her visiting before Christmas. She wants to see the kids and give them their presents.

For some reason, I am reluctant to tell my mother we are going away. Part of me really wants to just go, and then when she contacts me next week to arrange a time to come at some point, just text her back saying 'sorry, we're away until January'.

I know that it's kind of childish to go off away for a long time at Christmas without telling her. On the other hand, I WANT to punish her, I want to be a teenager saying 'nah nah, you can't catch me or know what I'm doing or where I am'.

I hate that she was so controlling. And when I have gone on holiday in the past, she has always stored away in her beady brain he exact details of my dates away, and calls as soon as she thinks we'll be back, and KEEPS calling. I would fudge my dates, and then find she'd be calling several times a day for days. I did make my annoyance about this known, and although she didn't apologise, she did switch to texting as her way of communicating me instead of calling.

I do want her to get the message that I have my own life now and she has no right to know the details. I do want her to realise that she has no real 'right' to see the children. I know that part of why I'm annoyed is because she will see my brother and his DD on Christmas day, but my children have to be seen on her own at some other time.

So I want to go away then let her see the kids soon after we get back. Telling her we're going away is going to be irritating. She repeats everything I say, which I find incredibly annoying. She will ask lots of questions.

On the other hand, she has been a decent grandmother and they do both adore her. And it is a bit shitty to not let her see the kids before Christmas when we'll be away.
Although from their point of view, as they just had a Christmas gathering and present exchange with DH's family, and will get presents from us, it might be nice for them to see my mum when we get back and get their Christmas presents from her then so it's spaced out.

Phew. That was long. I guess what i'm asking in short is: AIBU to bugger off with my kids abroad for Christmas without telling my mother, and letting her sweat it out?

MummieHunnie · 13/12/2010 23:56

Do the kids want to see your Mother before they go away?

honolulu · 13/12/2010 23:57

That is so long I'm loathe to add to it, but a few more relevant details -

My children haven't asked about seeing granny, although they might well do.

I could actually fit in a visit from my mother this week, so it's not her coming over before we go that's the problem, it's me not wanting to tell her we're going away that is the issue.

honolulu · 13/12/2010 23:58

X-posts with mummie Grin

DD is 5 and DS is 1.5, so he won't ask but DD might. I think she'd be happy with seeing granny after as she knows we're going away at the weekend and has quite a lot going on this week anyway to keep her occupied.

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