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please help me get over this man

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bees474 · 29/10/2010 19:07

Name changed for this.
I am in a mess over this man.
We've been friends for a couple of years. He's an ex colleague. I'm married.
Please don't judge- I have a very very difficult marriage and I had NOT looked at this man as any kind of OM ever prior to this week. I know this is wrong.
Nothing's happened between us except for one very intense conversation at the start of this week where he told me that he loved me, 'mind, body and soul' and said that he felt a massive attraction, wished we'd met ten years before or that there was a way we could be together, etc. But we didn't kiss, and we didn't arrange to meet again.
He texted the next day and has sent messages each day since but no reiteration of feelings etc or agreement to meet again.
He's in a new relationship- ie of a couple of dates and has dated her again since the evening with me.
My head is spinning.
He's just fucking about with me isn't he?
I need to mend things with dh and stop thinking about him.
Why has he done this to me? I didn't even think about him in this way prior to this week and now I can't stop thinking about him. What does it all mean? Why would a man behave like this?
I feel such a twat :(

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sophiebbb · 18/11/2010 19:37

Hello popzie

How nice to hear your story. It is so strange that these OMs can have such an effect on us. Such a deep deep intense effect. We are grown women and yet we fell for it hook, line and sinker. I often wonder why they need to go so deep when they evidently don't mean it. Do they enjoy really pulling us in and making us slightly dependent on them. I guess it is very good for their egos. It is comforting to be surrounded by people who are either going through the same thing or have gone through it and come out intact on the other side.

bees474 · 20/11/2010 21:59

Been away at home for a couple of days seeing family and getting a bit of tlc.
Back now and reunited with computer. Popzie your story has some eerie echoes and once again you are asking me all the right questions.
In terms of the friendship, hmmm, it was pretty close in lots of ways, we could speak freely and he had a good take on many problems. After we stopped working together we saw each other probably monthly/6 weekly for breakfast sometimes, coffee or drinks/food. We share some interests, workwise we have a lot to say to each other, sparked off really well. He said on Monday that I am one of his closest friends and he doesn't want to lose that. He rightly pointed out that he had supported me through my m/c and pregnancy. He wrote me a reference for my MA- he's a kind friend. I am saddest of all about the thought of him not being in my life at all. I am insanely jealous of the girlfriend and not ready to be his confidante in any way, but I just can't imagine not having him as a friend. Despite the fact he hasn't been much of a friend recently.....

Hmm Popzie would it just be that I was wanting to stay in his life to torment him/myself/her/both of us... yes, it is too soon. Besides anything else, when I said goodbye, I said I woul maybe be able to speak to him in a few years so a couple of weeks would make me look slightly bonkers!! (even more bonkers)

I also agree with the why oh why sophiebb- why did he have to say all that 'mind, body and soul' codswallop rather than something more easygoing?

It's all been about the end of my marriage all along. I think about the future with dh and it's as scary as the future without him- both options are really, really frightening. OM simply showed me how much I longed for some conversation, flirtation, physical contact.. so there's a lesson there, anyway.
I agree too

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bees474 · 20/11/2010 22:03

Oh don't know what happened at end of post there!
My grandma said so manyu wise, wise things to me this weekend. I guess if you haven't got any wisdom at near on 90 then you never will have! She said that OM should have been marked with a big red cross, though she knew that would only have encouraged me more! She also reminded me that she had warned me not to marry dh, although she does love dh. She said I needed to let events like this simply pass through me, and learn my lessons. Suggested a list of pros and cons re the marriage. And she said 'men deceivers ever are' was the truest quote she had ever heard!

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bees474 · 21/11/2010 21:13

hm just had the worst day ever with dh and dcs- or rather not with them as dh took them out and I just worked/stared into space/cried all day.
I feel like an outsider in the family. I can hardly look at the dcs for the guilt and sadness I feel, knowing that I was prepared to risk their everything for someone who turned out to be, frankly, a total cock. It is a shitty feeling, I wonder if all those who have/nearly have affairs feel these things?
Also, I literally don't know which way to turn regarding beginning separation/divorce proceedings. DH said earlier 'if we split up...' and I said, 'NO, we HAVE split up, we just haven't managed to separate yet' How I wish I had family here so I could move out- how on earth do people do this with no money, nowhere to go..? Any advice???

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karen1961 · 25/11/2010 08:00

Hi Bees,

Im in a very similar position in fact I could have wrote it. I was wondering how it was going for you? Would you mind private messaging me, I would dearly love your input

Karen

MabelMay · 25/11/2010 09:19

bees sorry didn't see your sunday post. I've been away from mumsnet for a while now. I keep wanting to come on and post on my own thread - and I will in the next few days. Just felt I needed to get my head straight first.

But, anyway, I'm sorry you're feeling like this. All I can say is I can totally relate to that "outsider" feeling you have sometimes regarding your DH and DCs. I felt exactly the same this weekend. Part of it was knowing that I've had my head and heart filled with someone else, someone totally separate to them, and - yes - putting those feelings before any of them. It's a really lonely and alienating thing.
Part of it stems from guilt, also, definitely.
But I also think that part of it is that in our heads we have already taken a big emotional step away from our DPs/DHs.

You have already decided to split up with your DH, so at least it's out in the open. In my case, if I'm honest with myself I think a part of me has also already taken a big step away from my DP, in terms of imagining a future without him - almost believing I would be happier without him - but yet I haven't told him any of this yet. And I know that's not fair. But at the same time I'm hoping that I will get to a point where I will be able to feel really happy with him again so I don't want to rock the boat as it were.

Sorry - I don't think this is very helpful. But I just want you to know that, yes, absolutely I have had those outsider feelings a lot when we are supposed to be being a family. I often feel emotionally removed from the situation - and I want so much to embrace the whole family again, and my DP, but at the moment when I do I feel like I'm acting it out.

I don't know. Anyway, just sending you a hug and apologies for not seeing your post when you sent it on sunday.

I'm sorry I can't offer much practical advice on your situation either. But I'll have a think. I could end up in a similar position to you one day...

How are you feeling today?

bees474 · 25/11/2010 21:06

Hi Karen and Mabel I have had a sort of OK week in a way, feeling much better and more optimistic in some ways, but still churning it over in my mind a lot.

I have happily come to the conclusion that in fact OM was quite right- no way of a future together and rightly so, because the more I think about the way he has been, the more I know he is not for me, romantically speaking. He's both fragile and reckless emotionally and basically just not very grown up- there's a world of difference between before children and after children, I think- mentally and emotionally....

Frankly, I think a lot of it comes down to being sex starved.... Blush

But having started to feel far stronger about the loss of him as a potential romantic figure, which was an illusion anyway, I started to feel really daft for the scorched earth policy I employed last Monday- ie maybe we'll see each other in a few years but until then... I drove past my old workplace last night on way to my uni course and saw all the lights on up in the corridor where we used to hang out, and just felt quite sad and nostalgic for the friendship. SO, I STUPIDLY sent a STUPID text, saying it was silly to not be friends, and since then have had no reply, so the text now is hanging in the air like a stale fart (excuse the crass simile, but that is JUST how it feels!!) and back to usual nonsense. The difference is that this time, I am less pissed off, just if he doesn't reply, I know for sure he was no good... talk about stupid, should have left it alone.

Mabel acting it out, such an interesting way to put it- EXACTLY- I feel like a bad actress in my own life sometimes- like I'm in the wrong play, written by someone else, badly cast!!!! I just don't feel I fit in the family mould and yet family is all there is in the end really- I think about my grandma dying and everyone around her bedside. Or when I come home after work and see the light on in the hall...

I think I had been at that point of hoping to be happy again so many times... about four years ago I had a lot of very long intense conversations with yet another male colleague who had just left his marriage after an affair. He said that he could either be unhappy in the marriage or unhappy out of it, and in the end he had had to do what his heart told him... At the time I was Hmm and thought it sounded like he'd followed something a bit lower down than his heart! BUt the way he spoke about always trying to square the circle, always coming back to the same point in the end, permanently feeling like a volcano about the explode, well, it rang a bell with me then and it still does now.

I liken my daily married life to trudging up a hill, just keeping putting one foot in front of the other. Every now and then you get a glimpse of the view beyond - what OM did when he took hold of me and kissed me was force me to see the view all around, to feel where I was in relation to it- and there just isn't any going back from that realisation for me- not about the OM, about me, about my horizons, how I feel in my life.

Sorry, long, long... anyone still awake?!

Mabel, what is going on with you?

Karen I will PM you, but just wanted to say that I had an email from a friend I saw a couple fo weeks ago, and she said she had been worried about me because I looked so strained and ill and too thin. Every single person on here warned me not to go there with this OM, and all of them knew I wouldn't be able to help it, and all of them knew where it would lead me.... strained and ill and too thin, and alone with hard decisions to make and all sorts of buried feelings to wrestle with... so I am here for you, as is everyone else, but take care

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wheresmyheadat · 25/11/2010 22:03

Hi, I have nothing more to add yet but just wanted to say that I can totally empathise, am in a situation with a guy at work too which could potentially turn out like the ones on here. I started a thread about it a few months ago, MabelMay I remember you had some good advice for me then.

It's been a real reality check to see where it could all end up which is giving me the stregth to pull back, so thank you all.

I wish you all the best, will be back to post again when I have more time, dh due back any minute.

MabelMay · 28/11/2010 22:15

Hi bees - have been away for a while but just came back and realised you posted a few days ago. I hope you've had an okay weekend.
I'll write tomorrow when I have more time as I want to pick up on a couple of your points and let you know where I'm at too.

What you say about "there just isn't any going back from that realisation" struck a chord with me, because that's how I feel about what my experience with the OM has done to my mindset.

I'd like to explain more tomorrow. Also, I too have been told I'm looking pale and thin and "tired". Funny, because in the midst of my time with the OM, when I felt myself falling for him and then found out he felt the same, almost everyone remarked on how glowing I looked, how well, how happy, how "good".

Bees, that feeling after you've sent a text -when the response doesn't come back quickly... [i love your fart analogy by the way!] It's horrible, I know it only too well. The terrible thing is, if and when they do respond, the feelings for me used to change completely from "i hate myself for sending that text, he hasn't replied, he doesn't care - he's a wanker" to "oh he does care, i'm so glad i texted, i like him so much, i want to see him again, i miss him". But it sounds like you've already stopped romanticising this guy in your head, so you're a step ahead of me I suppose.
Did he text back in the end?

Anyway, will write properly tomorrow - these are just random rushed scribbles.

Take care. "Speak" soon. MMx

bees474 · 30/11/2010 16:41

Hi Mabel sorry just picked up your post- know exactly that despair/elation feeling re the contact and I'm sure it's all part of the addiction.
No reply to the text, nothing at all.
Can't see how we were ever friends if this is what we have got to- I mean, why wouldn't he want to be friends? It is what he said he wanted the other week...
Feel a bit flat now to say the least. Wish I could turn the clock back to the start of October, when none of this had happened, the attraction was unspoken (and in my case unacknowledged even) and we were just friends having a laugh.
Where are you at Mabel?

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MabelMay · 30/11/2010 20:51

Hi bees

Sorry he hasn't replied yet. It is puzzling - but it could be that he realises that, right now, having spilled your guts out to each other, probably you can't realistically go back to being friends so soon.

It's really painful though - I have the same thoughts about me and OM. Although I know that it's just impossible for us to be "friends" I've often found myself wishing over the last few months that he'd never told me how he felt [I was never going to tell him before he opened up to me] - because then we'd still be able to see each other, spend time together, have a laugh like we used to. But then again, I'm kind of kidding myself because I know that it was never really a friendship - as we both fancied the pants off each other from the moment we first saw each other. With you, it's different. You have had a longstanding friendship with this guy. You are missing him. But are you really just missing the friendship? Isn't part of it that you're missing those intense feelings he brought out of you after he told you about his "love" for you...?

As for where I'm at...

There are two parts really. Me and OM; and my feelings/relationship with DP.

Regarding the OM. We have been back in touch. Exchanged a few texts and emails. My heart is starting to sink more and more as the day he leaves the country gets closer and closer. We are meeting next week "to say goodbye". Probably it's a bad idea but neither of us can imagine him leaving without us seeing each other again at least one more time. I don't think anything will happen other than perhaps a goodbye kiss. I don't want anything more to happen because I know it will make me feel like crap afterwards; the guilt; and also the heartbreak. I know I probably shouldn't see him at all. I know I'll feel terrible afterwards, in that it'll bring so many old feelings back and I'll be heartbroken to see him go. But how can I let him fly to the other side of the world without saying goodbye? I just can't. I know I will regret it so much more if I don't see him than if I do, however foolish it may sound. And selfish.

The other issue is me and my DP. We've had a couple of counselling sessions. The last one I found really tough, because it just seemed to make us more upset with each other - and I left feeling that things were even messier than before. I can't help but think that he wishes I had a completely different personality! And I'm so angry at him for so many different reasons now it's hard to see a way back. I find myself thinking about how much stronger I would feel without him. I used to be so self-sufficient, so independent, so confident - and I feel like I can't be that person in this relationship. I have spent 8 years adapting myself and accommodating myself to his needs, his desires, and I know that that is not going to change. It is the nature of who he is and what he does. That will always come first for him. I don't know if I just wouldn't rather rediscover myself on my own.

It's all so muddled in my head right now. And I know the presence of OM is not helping things. I hope there will be more clarity after he leaves, however much I don't want him to go.

How are you and DH? Have you thought about practicalities of living apart?

You do need to have some wonderful sex with someone wonderful. Does it feel too soon to start taking steps in that direction.....?

bees474 · 30/11/2010 22:39

Oh Mabel, I don't think there's any 'yet' about the lack of reply, but it was sweet of you to say it!!!
You're right, I certainly do miss the intensity, but would rather live without the intensity and have the friend :(
Feel very flat, and still have that dull pain in the chest. Feel about as raw as the wind!
Now, Mabel please take care regarding this goodbye with OM. It will be sad whatever happens, even if it is a very sweet goodbye.
The trouble with these days is that everyone is so close all the time with texts, internet etc that even a move away is not necessarily the end..
Mabel do you have dcs and if so what ages? Do you havethe means to be independent?
It struck a chord, what you said re the resentment: am so tired of living with all the sadness, anger, resentment of a 15 year relationship- maybe couples in the end just reach a point where they are too tired to make any changes?
What are you hoping for from the counselling?
Now, as for the wonderful sex, so true- but where to even start?!

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bees474 · 30/11/2010 23:05

Just don't go to Youtube and watch the end of Brief Encounter, whatever else you may do!!!! I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

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sophiebbb · 02/12/2010 09:36

Hello ladies

Hope all OK. That dull pain in the chest is the worst. My OM has just been sacked. Harrassment of another girl. Good friend of mine. Someone else in the company reported him. He blamed me. Said that people have it in for him because of what happened to us last year. The girl was due to report into him - he was waiting for his promotion and it was actually due to happen at last. There were a few people supporting him. When he did this latest thing the support has gone away. He still with his gf. Don't know how he convinced her again. I am raw. We were in contact right up to him getting sacked. Then I heard that a year ago he had gone to HR and blamed ME for everything. I lost it and wrote to gf. She clearly doesn't believe me and thinks I am mad cow. He not contacting me at all now cos betrayed him.

Just raw and trying to move on.

tadpoles · 02/12/2010 10:52

Oh dear ladies! Haven't read all of the posts but there seem to be some common themes. Married woman feeling a bit down and bored in her relationship, along comes a knight in shining armour (or so it seems) intoxicating her with talk of hearts and love, rather than the school run and marigolds, and before she knows it she is finding herself head over heels, ready to run off into the sunset into a wonderful new world.

All I can say is I too have found myself in a similar position (I know!!) the hearts, the passion it was all declared in the most intense and delightful way. At the point where I am starting to make a complete fool of myself (eg: thoughts of running off from a perfectly decent marriage) the knight in shining armour (surprise, surprise!) starts to get slightly cold feet.

But this was the man who was offering me the world! Actually, he was offering - a quick, or even slow sh** and was arrogant enough to think that I would chase him around to get it. And what an ego boost he was getting at my expense.

Fortunately, I came to my sense in time to realise that he was a complete player and just loved the boost of having a married woman dangling on a string, with all the drama that that entailed. I am also pretty sure that he managed to have a good old laugh and gossip about it with his assorted "mates". Nice guy, eh? Made me look like a complete idiot and was happy to spread gossip about me, damage my reputation and make my family look stupid.

And before anyone asks, yes I did tell my partner about my crush. In his case, it made him sit up and realise that we had BOTH become complacent about the relationship, which in our case (but OP yours is completely different I think) was pretty good.

Ladies - do not go there! If the marriage is on the rocks, sort it out one way or another. If a man likes you enough to hope that one day there might be a chance of a relationship (eg: when you are separated, divorced or whatever other arrangement you have made which suits you) then he will make PROPER friends with you and will stay friends, not just trying to jump you.

Which means thinking and caring about you and your feelings - yes, treating you with RESPECT. Why would any decent man want to put a married woman with children in a vulnerable position? He may have feelings for a person but - that is his problem, he does not have to act on them.

All I can say is, you learn a lot from these types of situation. I do not regret it because I have much more respect for myself and my husband than before (and none for the knight in shining armour who now looks like a toad in a pile of horse manure!!)

Bigregrets · 02/12/2010 11:39

Mabel: Whilst it is totally wrong, i agree with your thoughts of wanting and needing to see OM before he moves away. It is going to be hard. Awful infact but just stay strong hon.
The last time i saw OM - couple of months ago, we went for lunch and neither of us knew that would be the last time we saw each other. On my way home from seeing him, I just got so upset that i realised this had to end and after having a very very long email conversation re our feelings etc it ended and i haven't seen him since - have text contact once a week but that too has to end. For me i think that was probably the best way as i don't think i'd cope well with the "goodbye" meeting.

Bees: I too have those moments of no contact and then feel all nostalgic, miss him and then text him. It makes me feel all so better when he replies ( which he always does but i end up sending the last text and he doesn't reply) but then i know i shouldn't text so a few weeks ago i deleted his number from my phone so i can't contact him.

Stay strong - it's so so shit but i try and tell myself that what i am feeling is nothing compared to how his pregnant wife would feel if she found out or how my H would feel should he find out.
xx

izquierda · 02/12/2010 11:55

Tadpoles what a great post, thank you, much of that I could have written.
My EA kicked off about two years ago and ended abruptly about 8 months ago - won't go into the story but very, very similar to yours - ending with "his cold feet".
I am still finding it incredibly hard to let go of the feelings I had for this person.
I am trying day in day out to get things back on track with my DH whom I know to be a much more decent human being than the OM, who if I may put it bluntly, with hindsight, was just after a snog and a grope with me, every so often.
I'm still trying to get my self-respect and self-esteem back. In truth, I did a lot of the running and demeaned myself.
The one person who truly loves me and cares about my feelings, and would be so upset if he knew how I was suffering/struggling, is my DH and I can't talk to him about it.
What I do know is NO GOOD can ever come from these "friendhips" with these OM. Sorry, but there it is.....

cindystill · 02/12/2010 12:13

You really have to think of the OM, the one that paid you some much-wanted attention etc. as a kind of drug.

You have to 'withdraw' from it and not keep going back to it for 'another fix'.

cindystill · 02/12/2010 12:14

Think of it like 'self-imposed torture'.

cindystill · 02/12/2010 12:20

It is self imposed torture to keep texting..... like a moth going to a light, even though the moth knows deep down it is bad for it.

Don't prolong the agony any more than needs to be. It's a process you have to go through; there are no short cuts - just any way you can use to move through it until the feelings over time, which they usually do, decrease. If you have a nice partner you actually really like and respect, and, you think there is still the possibility of improving your relationship with him, don't take away your availability to put effort into that 'emotionally' because whatever OM is able to steal that capacity from you. If you have a container full with 100% of your emotions, why keep giving a large percentage of that to another man, and it not going into your marriage?

cindystill · 02/12/2010 12:28

I speak from experience, btw.

cindystill · 02/12/2010 14:27

bees - don't be hard on yourself. You were vulnerable.

bees474 · 02/12/2010 22:02

God sophiebb that sounds horrendous- were you aware of this other woman, or was this a big shock to you? Thinking of you.
Tadpoles and cindy you are both so right. I can't believe I followed the oldest script in the book, I think of it sometimes and just shake my head, almost like I can physically shake it all out of my brain, I wish I could!
In truth, it is worse at the mo because I actually sent a letter via email as well as a text. The letter was sweet, I thought, I just said I'd thought about it all and I agreed that we shouldn't lose the friendship, (as he himself had said), how much I valued the friendship etc and even that I was sorry for getting in the way of him and his new gf. That was on Sat. Nothing since- nothing at all.
I feel really, really stupid. Like, REALLY stupid. So so so so stupid. I never knew him at all, and everything he said to me was a lie, pretty much. I keep thinking, well hang on, I am a nice person, all I have ever done is like this OM, and yet somehow I am being punished for it, it is a horrible, bewildering, angering feeling- why ignore the message??- a simple yes/no/maybe would at least be courteous!! But this is just like having yet another bucket of ice thrown over me... I get the message, but why does it have to be so cruel?
Anyway, well rid, it seems....
izquierda so true, no good can come of it- I don't think anyone here has found that the OM has made them happy...

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bees474 · 02/12/2010 22:03

Bigregrets should I delete everything- all the old emails etc too??

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Bigregrets · 03/12/2010 13:15

Yes - delete any chance you have of being able to contact him. How are you today?