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please help me get over this man

293 replies

bees474 · 29/10/2010 19:07

Name changed for this.
I am in a mess over this man.
We've been friends for a couple of years. He's an ex colleague. I'm married.
Please don't judge- I have a very very difficult marriage and I had NOT looked at this man as any kind of OM ever prior to this week. I know this is wrong.
Nothing's happened between us except for one very intense conversation at the start of this week where he told me that he loved me, 'mind, body and soul' and said that he felt a massive attraction, wished we'd met ten years before or that there was a way we could be together, etc. But we didn't kiss, and we didn't arrange to meet again.
He texted the next day and has sent messages each day since but no reiteration of feelings etc or agreement to meet again.
He's in a new relationship- ie of a couple of dates and has dated her again since the evening with me.
My head is spinning.
He's just fucking about with me isn't he?
I need to mend things with dh and stop thinking about him.
Why has he done this to me? I didn't even think about him in this way prior to this week and now I can't stop thinking about him. What does it all mean? Why would a man behave like this?
I feel such a twat :(

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ScaryFucker · 31/10/2010 21:37

bees [hgrin]

a sense of humour will be helpful here, honestly

bees474 · 31/10/2010 21:40

Yes thank heavens, it's the only thing still intact.

Unfortunately, he did always make me laugh. Dh hasn't made me laugh since about 1999.

Weirdly, the only person I know IRL who would truly understand ALL of this is dh

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Monty100 · 31/10/2010 21:45

A sense of humour can be your saviour [hgrin]

Any more from him, laugh at him, because now you realise what a twat he is.

And remember, he actually does not know the things you have written here.

PirateScaredyCat · 31/10/2010 21:48

whatever feelings he has unleashed or caused do not belong to him, and he has done nothing to deserve them.

PirateScaredyCat · 31/10/2010 21:49

oh god that last bit sounds wrong, i mean, he doesn't deserve your hurt, thoughts or feelings iyswim.

ScaryFucker · 31/10/2010 21:52

bees, I think that is a common understanding in these situations

it is a pity you can't talk to your dh about it

which should really reinforce to you about where your priorities should be, yes ?

work on the laughing with your dh, and forget twat-face

bees474 · 31/10/2010 21:52

iswym :)

I bloody well hope he couldn't find what I have written on here!
I can't imagine him taking the effort to look

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bees474 · 02/11/2010 22:41

Still not a peep from this man, oh although he has given the thumbs up to a song I linked to on fb (NB said song absolutely in no way a secret message to him!!! it was a song about the clocks going back)
Think I still need help as this thumbs up had me all in a spin again, I was doing so well, and now am having deeply pathetic feelings of 'oh we are still friends how lovely, maybe I should message him' blah blah
I will go back and listen to 'You Go Your Way and I'll go Mine' by Bob Dylan again for strength...

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MabelMay · 03/11/2010 10:28

bees your post has rung a bell with me partly because I have recently been in a not entirely dissimilar situation to yourself, but mainly because I can relate to all the feelings that you have expressed (and have called "immature", "childish") about wanting a bit more freedom, excitement, stimulation out of your life.

I am in a longterm relationship with two young DCs. I was feeling exactly like this (still am!) about 7 or 8 months ago and, lo and behold, a beautiful man walked into my life and showed an interest and I fell hook, line and sinker. I had an emotional affair, kissed the guy, I believed myself to be in love with him... Anyway, won't bore you with the details but you know that this OM is a symptom of what is going on in yourself and your relationship with your DH. You are desperate for some excitement, attention, heightened feelings etc etc because nothing in your life with your DH and DCs is giving you this at the moment.

But this OM sounds like a bit of a player, although it's hard to judge a character from just a few posts.

I strongly suggest you and DH get couples counselling to see if there is anyway to rescue your marriage. Give it a good chance. Try to push your "feelings" for this OM to one side, if you possibly can. They're not real. You're intrigued, tantalised, puzzled, because you're not sure where this OM is coming from - why he said what he did etc etc. He is messing with your head. You're not interested in him because you genuinely think he's a viable alternative to your DH, right?

You and your DH obviously have a lot to sort out. If the therapy doesn't work I really don't think it's worth staying in a marriage for another ten years if it's all gone stale. But you need to see if you can fix it first...

bees474 · 03/11/2010 20:37

Thanks MabelMay it is good to hear from you that others feel the same sort of frustration etc. HOW did you cure yourself of OM? I have a long drive to work and spent all of it on floods of tears this morning, pathetic!!! I was really angry with myself for wasting tears on this man and so cross that I was crying in such a way over something so stupid when all over the world people have things to REALLY cry about.

It's the loss of the friendship, really. I had to dig out the notes for a workshop we had run together last night, and the memories of how much fun it was and how well we worked as a team just crushed me. I had an email from a mutual friend I haven't seen from a while yesterday too and she said 'OM is always saying what a joy it is to see you so happy in your new job..' So yes, now I see he's a player and a shit, but I have to also reconcile that with the fact that I loved him dearly as a friend, and he was always a good friend, and that's gone now too.

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MabelMay · 04/11/2010 14:43

Hi bees - oh, I haven't cured myself of the OM at all yet! It all still feels very raw and very recent. I too have sat at the steering wheel in floods of tears torturing myself by listening to songs that remind me of him. Also, he was in my home a lot - hard for me to explain why without giving too much away - and as I work from home I am surrounded by reminders of him. And, I agree with you, it's the "friendship" moments that I am missing the most. After all, we didn't really start talking about other, deeper feelings until right towards the end of our time together.

ANYWAY... Don't feel stupid for crying. It sounds like you were/are genuinely close to this guy. Those feelings of loss are very real. I'm ashamed to say it, by my dad died when I was relatively young, as did another close family member more recently, and I've shed far more tears since saying goodbye to the OM than I did when my father passed away. It just brings out a different set of emotions, it's hard to explain. I guess each kind of grief manifests itself in different ways. So whatever you do, don't beat yourself up for missing the OM's friendship and crying over it. As a couple of very wise posters on my own thread told me, what you're going through is a very real grieving process.

I find the only way that I get through the days without feeling too sad and missing the OM too much is to try and keep busy, busy, busy - just continually try to occupy myself and, if there is a lull, call a friend, colleague, and if they don't answer - come on mumsnet!

I still think about the OM most days. It doesn't hurt so much now when I do. I have days that are fine and other days where I do still feel pretty tearful and low. I'm also nowhere near figuring out how to reconcile my need for freedom, travel, independence with the reality of being a mum to two youngsters and a "supportive" partner to a man with a demanding travelling career. In short, I feel your pain!

Have you thought about what you'll do if the OM ever does get in touch with you?
How are you feeling today? What are your feelings towards your DH at the moment?

MakingRisotto · 04/11/2010 15:38

I'm wondering if it really is the friendship you are sad about, or just that you were holding onto that as the little bit of him that you could have.

Mabel May is right, and I feel your pain too.

I once got into a stupid, stupid situation with OM (at work - cliche, cliche...). I allowed him to unpick the lovely situation I had with a lovely man, which was actually stable and secure, highlighting the weaknesses of my relationship and being utterly charming himself. I convinced myself my relationship was worthless, and that OM was The One, and was ready to make some big changes to my life - cue OM dropping me like a hot potato. It felt awful. I picked myself up, dusted myself off and put my life back together, and just as I'd sorted myself out, he reappeared and started trying to get back in, and I'm ashamed to say, I fell for it again, and history repeated all over again. I do take responsibility for what I did, after all, it takes two to tango, but I remain convinced that he did it just to prove that he could. What is worse was that I suspected that at the time and gambled anyway.

I'm feeling a bit better lately, but have resigned myself to the fact that I'll probably always love him (even though I know he's not worth it) and have just learned to live with that I guess, even though it can never and will never happen. I know for a fact that he is not good for me and would exhaust me, it was a very intense and intoxicating time in my life and I could not function like that long term, and it wouldn't work in Real Life (you know, once trips to the pub and eating out replace the hum drum of normal life). So I just have to keep reminding myself of this. That and all his weirdness (had narcissistic tendencies, so it's quite easy for me, every time I get pangs, I get a grip by thinking about the more sinister aspects of his personality).

I really hope you can focus energies on yourself and your marriage. Try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.

ilovemyteddy · 04/11/2010 15:39

Hi bees474. I just saw that Mabel had posted here (I've posted on her thread in the past) and wanted to say hi to her ((hug)) and say to both of you that you need to stop torturing yourself with playing 'your' songs etc. It's really hard to break the cycle of wanting to know how he is/hear how he's doing/wondering if he's missing you. It's like picking at a scab - the more you pick at it the less it heals and the more of a scar you'll have.

It takes time (lots and lots of time), a willingness to keep non-contact and get rid of anything that reminds you of him, and a massive effort to move on and address the issues that caused you to contemplate having an affair.

It helps when the rose-tinted glasses fall off too. I have only skimmed your thread but you were right in your OP - 'he's just fucking about with me, isn't he?' Yep, sadly I think he was. Most (not all) of them do, and many of them behave like this because we let them. After my affair ended I almost had another one (with someone who wished he'd met me before his partner, thought he was falling in love with me etc) - the 'man' in question backed out at the last minute because he 'felt guilty' about cheating on his DP. Almost a year later I got a text out of the blue wanting me to 'sext' him. So much for guilt, huh? So I politely told him that neither of us were free to indulge in sexting and, guess what? I haven't heard from him since.

Please don't waste your time, energy and tears over this chancer. Sometimes you just need to see it for what it is, and all this 'mind, body and soul' bollocks really translates to 'I want a shag'. You deserve better than that.

MakingRisotto · 04/11/2010 15:49

ilovemyteddy - you are so right about the giving up the torturing thing. I had to give up my favourite pub because it was where so much stuff had been played out. I miss the pub in question very much!

bees474 · 04/11/2010 23:28

I love Mumsnet when I find so much support from lovely, wise women who have been there, been through it, and learned..Mabel, risotto and teddy thank you
Went to see 'The Kids Are Alright' with a friend tonight- it was great, and very much food for thought.
Not there yet, still sad... he posted a comment on my wall tonight about friendship..maybe he misses it too?

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anotherpointofview · 05/11/2010 11:07

Hi Girls, I too have been in this situation and to say it ended in tears would be an understatement, and like Makingrisotto I would still find myself missing the OM even though I had discovered aspects of his character that were 'unsavoury' to say the least. It took me a while to realise that it wasn't him I was missing or grieving for but what (I thought) we had together, the feelings and sense of freedom and intimacy when I was with him the attention etc. When I realised that the pain disappeared fairly quickly. I too spent a long time wondering why and how somebody could lie so much and for what reason - I still do ponder it from time to time but I won't ever understand that mentality. Talking to a good male friend sometime after he said some men are great for 'hunting deer' they go into pubs and aren't necessarily looking at good looks but more for vulnerable 'looks' as easy prey!

The best thing you can do bees474 is pick yourself up and give yourself a makeover put on a happy confident persona when the OM is around let him think he misread the signs!

JustNotThatIntoMe · 05/11/2010 22:26

hi bees, and others who've been in this situation. Bees I have so many similarities to you: I'm married, we've not had a great year to put it mildly, OM knows this. Nothing physical happened because I was clear from the outset I wouldn't do anything while married, but he still moved in on me and stirred everything up, making me feel desired, special, everything he was looking for - and he sucked me right in until I was seriously thinking about ending my marriage to start something with him. Once he saw he had me exactly where he wanted me he backed right off and started blanking me. It didn't happen overnight, he still posted on my fb page, clicked 'like' on the occasional photo of mine, but he simply wouldn't talk to me. At all!! I was left reeling. I just couldn't comprehend it. I dumped him off my friends list because I couldn't bear seeing him being flirty with other members of his female fan club (the majority of his friends on fb are female) while he continued to ignore my increasingly pleading emails. I still can't comprehend it if I'm honest. It just seems so cruel, even though I know I sound like one of those naive old ladies who's had her savings nicked by a conman. I feel like I have gone nearly mad with it, like I must have imagined he said all that stuff. To this day I've never had a word of explanation out of him. And it is so at odds with the kind and decent man I thought I knew. But slowly, slowly, I am beginning to see him for what he is, a chancer who saw I was vulnerable and thought he had a chance of an easy shag. My guess is that he got bored of waiting basically and he took the easy way out by blanking me. Trouble is I had totally fallen for him by then and couldn't see what was staring me in the face, even though everyone here was telling me.

I hope it will inspire you to keep focused on staying away from your OM when I tell you I cracked and foolishly made contact with OM after a few weeks of silence (I can hear the collective groans going up from you all). I think by then I was addicted to the feelings he had stirred up in me - of being desired, attractive, special. He took days to respond and when he did it was so short and his tone was so cold and offhand it was like communicating with a different person. I felt foolish and stupid and grubby - and that I had lost any chance of clawing back my self respect by chasing him again. I may has well have been on my knees in front of him. It is so embarrassing and that is the thing I am struggling to move on from the most. I let myself down. You haven't done that yet. Don't do it! I was told this guy was playing me but at the time I could neither see it nor believe it. It's only by allowing him to rub my nose in it that's it's become all too clear he was never really my friend, never really cared about me, never saw anything beyond the bulge in his pants!!!

So here I am, a few months further down the track than you in terms of trying to move on. You're doing so well. Please learn from what happened to me, or what I allowed to happen, and keep your head held high and your dignity intact.

If I could turn back time I don't know that I would erase spending time with him as it was a bit of a beacon of light in a very dark year, but I would stop it at exactly the point you are now at, because I would be able to look back and say I acted with dignity and walked away from it all the minute my instincts started telling me something had changed and the messages from him were becoming mixed.

I really wish you well. I know how bloody hard it is. On a positive note things have improved at home (certainly helps not having that arse messing with my head) and I now can't believe I now nearly destroyed what I had for some chancer who would never have wanted to know.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

I learned this gem right here and it is so, so true. I didn't listen but you are clearly a stronger person than me - keep it up.

bees474 · 05/11/2010 23:25

Justnotthatintome your story is so sad, and everything you say is so similar to all the feelings I am having- I must keep my pride at all costs, and you are so right that the first time is enough to know what someone is like.
It is hard though, really hard to stay away- I saw him in his car today and thought I was going to faint. My chest hurt, knees went weak, you name it.
Some texts today, a bit friendlier.
Just want to throw my phone in the bin, chuck computer away and live miles away from any form of contact or temptation.
Feelings towards dh, well there is a long way to go but we sat next to each other this evening for ten minutes or so, didn't argue and actually touched bodies, so there's an improvement. :)

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Bigregrets · 06/11/2010 01:27

I have recently ended a emotional and physical affair - both of us being married and it ended when we found out his wife was pregnant.
I am trying so hard to get over OM and build a relationship with husband but it's so so hard. I know i've got myself into this mess and if i could just turn feelings off then i would. It's been 5 weeks now since seeing OM and longer since anything else.
We do text and general chit chat however i know that if i suggested to him meeting up for "old times sake" (trust me, i won't be doing) he would. Although he does claim to want to make a go of his marriage and he loves his wife, but i'm trying to grasp how this works when he has sent me sexual texts in the past few weeks and says "if we were out and drunk you know where it would lead"
Hmmmmmm.
He is on my mind when i wake up and on my mind when i go to sleep. I have been dreaming about him and wake up sad that we haven't just been together. I think about him all day.
I would give ANYTHING to wake up one day and him be out of my head and i know i need to cut all contact which i will do - but i think like many others on here, what i have found hard is the not speaking daily and also the non texting - we used to send 30 a day and now we go 4 days without a word.

I feel for you OP, and hope that things work out for you and i am here if you need to rant.

sophiebbb · 06/11/2010 15:19

Hello Bigregrets. What you say is interesting. I also got the same messages from my OM. He would go on and on and on about wanting to make a go of his relationship. And of course every time he said it I would leave it alone. But he would come running time and again and totally upset my healing.

In the end I simply told him to stop contacting me as he was losing all my respect - saying one thing time and again and then carrying on pursuing me.

The hard thing for me always was that he is not married. He is with a girlfriend who he is now very close to getting engaged to...or so he has now told me. That was the first time he admitted that and that was quite enough to give me the strength to keep away. I think in your case - him having a wife he has just made pregnant - should also be enough to keep you strong. It is easy NOT to get pregnant if you see what I mean - it can't have been an accident.

Bigregrets · 07/11/2010 13:42

Hello Sophiebb
Thanks for your reply. Of course he knew what he was doing - although it was quite funny when he found out as he said "i've only had sex with her once in a month" and he actually looked SOOO confused and shocked as if to say "she can't possibly be pregnant from that once" Duh - only takes the once!
I wish i had the strength to tell him to bog off once and for all but i can't! He did ask me to meet with him for lunch but i've said No.

sophiebbb · 07/11/2010 16:36

It takes an awful lot of strength. I have been there so many times. Made so many pacts with myself. And then of course they come running and you just get hooked in again. The to-ing and fro-ing for me went on for some time - about 6 months. Me finding strength and him coming knocking. And then when it hotted up again he ran away and said he had to work on his relationship with his girlfriend. Had to try and 'live his relationship' to see where it was going. Sounds like a very similar situation.

I never could understand how somebody who claimed to be trying in their relationship and clearly so desperate to make it work, could end up pursuing again. I have been no contact now for 3 weeks and it is getting a lot better day by day. No more ups and downs. No more hot and cold. I am much more emotionally stable and finally beginning to live my relationship with DH again and see a future between us again.

And I don't even WANT OM to contact me anymore. I think you will get to a stage Bigregrets where you will think "what the hell is the point". I don't WANT to have an affair. I don't WANT to live in this stupid situation. And by carrying on in contact I finally realised that that was exactly what I was doing. Because unless he says "I want to be with you and spend the rest of my life with you" then why bother keeping the contact up.

In the end I think it is THAT realisation that stops me picking up the phone and also stops me pining.

It is hard. And it makes it harder knowing that in the end it was all our own fault and that we are the only ones who can get out of it.

sophiebbb · 07/11/2010 16:43

And one more thing. When you DO finally stop contacting - not only does the thought I mentioned above stop you picking up the phone, but also, "funnily enough", my relationship with DH has picked up again and gradually it is that now which stops me contacting. Obvious really but true.

Bigregrets · 07/11/2010 18:05

Thanks and sorry OP for hijack!

I know exactly what you mean re relationship with DH as we recently went away and i wasn't in contact with OM for 4 days and me and hubby got on really well. Yes we were around other people but we had a nice time.
Now when i hear from OM, i spend the rest of the day thinking about him :(

Popzie · 08/11/2010 14:50

Hi all, have read this thread and what you are all saying is also very real to me.

It's been seven months since my affair ended. OM in my case was a long term friend of mine - and especially to my DH who knew him from school.

It was very painful, but I am much better now. I can hardly comprehend how long it takes to move on. Apart from one weekend when I had to see him in a group scenario, I've had no contact whatsoever, but I still think about him all the time. What has helped is that I've broken down all aspects of my life and am able to see the areas that led to the catastrophe - from my own shortfalls and insecurities to the things that my marriage lacks and the deperate feelings I have of being trapped. I think the latter was the most difficult thing to come to terms with - feeling like I'm a prisoner of my own life - although it's no as prominent now that the OM situation has gone.

Things are not as dramatic or intense now. I think about OM but I am happy in myself. I like getting on with normality again, and have worked really hard at making up my misedemeanours with my family and have also put a lot into my paid work. It feels good to be back again to be honest - and it's a bit contrast to early spring when I was so thin, tired and depressed that I could hardly get out of bed to look after my children.

It really helps me to focus on the biological side of the affair, rather than the spiritual 'soul mate' side.

All of the angst and the passion and the obsessing comes from millions of years of evolution where our hormones are telling us to get out there and have babies with another partner. Our heads are telling us to stay with our DH's and be happy, but our bodies are telling us something completely different. It's little wonder we're all in such chaos.

I know that sounds as if I'm trying to shift personal responsibility by thinking practially like this - and not looking at the moral side of things. But to be honest it almost belittles the 'problem' and simplifies it so that I don't give it as much credence. Otherwise it's easy to fall into the 'we're meant for each other' camp (I've been there too, however) and spout unrelenquished love forever. And for the sake of keeping my family and my sanity together, anything to avoid going back there.

Anyway, I hope to speak to you all at some point soon. Now that the night's are drawing in I feel as if I may need some support (especially as 'anniversaries' of events and converstaions are now beginning to come around from the affair itself last year) :(

xx