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Another DickFace to Add to The Pile

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 26/09/2010 13:08

....Of men that you thought wouldnever betray you but then did it anyway!

My DH has always been loyal. To a fault. Never cheated. Was cheated on in the past by girlfriends, worshipped the ground I walked on. Good sex life, with dry patches, we had started about a year ago to spice things up, toys, bondage.

Turns out, he's been internet flirting/sexting/fucking her on MSN!!

Delightful Hmm

It started 6 days ago. I have seen his phone. And the e-mails and a picture that they exchanged.

And now I am just like all the others. I did ask him how it felt - To be just like all the other cheating dickwads that I read about on here. If it was worth it, if he was thinking about what every other weekend would feel like when he was telling her how much he likes her wet pussy.

Super. Confused

I'm angry, can't you tell?

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 02/10/2010 13:05

I reported that post as well. I see it got removed.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 02/10/2010 14:07

Pfft it's almost a week on and you have some clarity. Although it is a week which I've no doubt you would never want to re-live, I suspect you'll look back on it and marvel at how much you learned, about your H, your marriage, your expectations and most importantly, yourself.

That process will be ongoing, but at this juncture I want to reaffirm how this all makes you stronger, not weaker.

You now have the strength to build a more egalitarian marriage. You have the wisdom to see that this didn't happen in a vaccuum and you have a better sense of your own boundaries in relation to porn, forum use and unsafe friendships. You know now that it is a sign of high self-esteem, not neediness or jealousy, to have those boundaries and to take heed of an inner voice of disquiet.

I expect you always accepted that good people do bad things, but you are able to see the difference between your H and the person who repeatedly hurts people, feels no regret for their actions and for whom infidelity is just another flaw in a litany of appalling actions.

If somebody had told you a fortnight ago that by today's date, you would have an offer on the table to have an egalitarian marriage where your opinion is valued equally and where there is mutual nurturing and care, where both of you are giving equally to the marriage, I expect you would have bitten their hand off.

That you have had to endure this terrible pain to get that offer, is a huge sadness, but in time, you might just see that this experience was an opportunity and not the dark threat it appeared to be last weekend.

I think of my experience as one of losses and gains, but I wouldn't be without those gains now and I am a very different person to the one I was two years ago. I have also learned so much about myself and no-one can take that away from me now. If that learning helps others too, how can I regret that?

This will be an ongoing journey Pfft and there will be stumbles along the way that we can all help you with. Keep posting and hopefully we will all keep those blinkers firmly on - and welcome the insightful and helpful contributions of those with a motive to help and support.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 02/10/2010 14:09

And thanks, DuvetCover for your contribution to this thread and I am so very glad that you are now happy with someone who values you properly.

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 16:52

DC -- my exH took the religious tack too; told me I needed a good confessor just like the one he had (Catholic context). So unbelievable now that I even considered counselling. Glad you are now back on your feet. You are well rid of your former wife.

Pfft -- that was one of the hardest things I went through, the knowledge that the ball was now squarely in my court. I had my mind made up for me to some extent initially by the complete inability of my exH to do or say anything that rang true or right, or to give me any hope that he had any insight at all into how I felt or what he had done, in the post revelation period.

I found out over the course of the next year that he was continuing to indulge his porn fascination, while at the same time writing me love notes, 'talking the talk' -- I eventually found that his real interest was gay porn and possibly the 'down low' lifestyle judging from his internet history, but it took a few years of heart-wrenching bewilderment and failed attempts at counselling (he would shrug and just not answer questions; we had a really bad counsellor who didn't press him for answers) before I finally knew there was nothing worth saving.

The ups and downs until the final realisation happened were almost unbearable. Sometimes I felt I was right back at square one with all the horror and the raw emotions -- there's no such thing as direct linear progress towards some final destination here, no matter what general direction you are able to set yourself towards.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 02/10/2010 17:13

Urgh, math what a rollercoaster journey for you Sad

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mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 17:14

It was, and makes me feel horrible to see someone else in the same position. You are bearing up so well. You will never face anything this difficult again, ever.

duvetcover · 02/10/2010 17:36

Thanks WWIFN. Please know some of us man-apes understand honesty & commitment in relationships, maybe almost as well as some the girls :)

Tippychoocks · 02/10/2010 17:41

Grin at duvetcover. Please provide me with the names and numbers of all the others like you. I will distribute same amongst the needy Harridans (self included).

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 18:04

Can the Feminists have the list too?

Tippychoocks · 02/10/2010 18:27

I just don't know math, will there be enough for all? I've not found one yet!
Am imagining a Relationship harridans vs Feminists scrap now. Grin

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 18:46

hehehehehehehe

Tippychoocks · 02/10/2010 18:56

Grin Baggy tweed is the look I am rocking, how did you know?

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 19:00

I see myself as the really muddy one getting the boot in at the end.

Tippychoocks · 02/10/2010 19:04

Yes, I shall always think of you that way Smile

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 19:04
Grin
PfftTheMagicDragon · 02/10/2010 19:18

duvet I have talked a lot on this thread about men and women. It has been kneww jerk chat and I just wanted to say to you that I do know that men and women can behave like this, and by no means is it the case that I think that all men are feckless philanderers and all women put upon angels. Grin

I hate that other people, men and women, have had to go through what I and you have been through.

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 02/10/2010 19:37

Nicely said pfft :)

This has nothing to do with "man hating" (whatever the hell that means), it's about detesting an action of betrayal.

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 19:48

It is a sad day on Mumsnet when a woman who has discovered infidelity and is battling her way through the aftermath has to spend her time or devote one ounce of her energy defending herself against a charge of 'man-hating'.

Shame, shame, shame on those responsible.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 02/10/2010 21:26

I know, math. Crazy, eh? Good job we have those blinkers Grin

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Footlong · 02/10/2010 23:15

karmabeliever - After rereading yourt post and what I replied. You are quite right. My rquoting was not entirely fair to the message you were trying to get across. I still dont agree with your point, but my quoting was unfair and incomplete.

If you want to revisit her comment about someone else raising her kids.. fine. It doesnt matter what point she was making, or how valid she thinks it is, it is how he percieves it that will cause long term issues. There are lots of things we could say everyday that are right and fair... but just not worth it! And I think it is using kids as a weapon.

skidoodly - Great advice, and IF Pffts marriage is 'saved' then the actions and things she does now are important and wil have consequences. And I think some of the man hating posters in this thread egging her on to things is not healthy. I believe she is vulenrable to the man hating agenda of some people.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 02/10/2010 23:32

Hey pffft, are you vulnerable to my man-hating agenda?

  1. Apologies

  2. Minutes of the last meeting

  3. Cor, men eh?

  4. Notices

mathanxiety · 02/10/2010 23:46

FL, you know, we're really not man-haters, we are just really, really envious of your footlong huge intellect and wish we had one even half that size, because if we did, everything would be as clear and black and white to us as it seems to be to you, and wouldn't that be so much better than to be constantly vulnerable to the influence of dangerous elements, unable to anticipate or appreciate the consequences of our actions, and being egged on? It wouldn't matter to us either how valid our feelings were, we would know instinctively without anyone preaching at us that the only thing that matters is how the man in our lives feels and perceives and what he thinks. Wouldn't that be a perfect world....

(But possibly it wouldn't help us when people goad us or bait us so there might be some drawbacks...)

fedupofnamechanging · 02/10/2010 23:57

Footlong. I appreciate you coming back to me to correct what was said earlier.

I do think, wrt to the raising children comment that what Pfft said is merely a statement of fact.She isn't using the DCs as a weapon, only saying that what he does has consequences for her, the children and him. He should have thought about all this and it would take a saint not to point that out when feeling hurt and betrayed. I'm sure he would be very unhappy, but if it happened it would be as a direct result of his actions. I don't see that he would perceive her comments as a threat to cut him out of his childrens lives or replace him as their father. I think we will have to agree to disagree.

I also don't think that anyone here hates men. We do hate the behaviour of cheaters/liars (men and women) and object to people who would minimise the devastation that betrayal causes.

Footlong · 03/10/2010 00:12

karma - I have made my point about her comment to her husband, and to be honest I would just be repeating if I carried on with it. So I will just agree to disagree.

But I do believe there are man haters here, and they are very vocal and more than a little snide.

mathanxiety · 03/10/2010 00:27

Now that bears repeating...

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