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The Braves Babes Battle Bus - NOT stopping at the pub!!

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Mouseface · 03/09/2010 18:31

Hello Smile

I'm Mouse. I've been sober for over a month now, thanks to the support of posters on this and previous threads.

No matter where you are up to with your sobriety, you'll find someone here who has been in your shoes!

Come and meet the other Brave Babes........

And here are the other threads for those who want to read them.

JWN's original thread (and the reason we are all here!)

Thread two

Thread three

Thread four

Thread five

Thread six

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RedMoomin · 06/09/2010 10:01

Thanks MsGee - I do feel positive today despite Friday. I think because I have got some other things sorted out I feel like I can concentrate on getting well and sober. I have no 'excuses' if you like.

Sounds like you had a lovely weekend with littleMsGee.

You sound very upbeat - it's lovely.

RedMoomin · 06/09/2010 10:02

Thanks venus Smile Yep, no problem here admitting it was bloody ridiculous!

Mouseface · 06/09/2010 10:07

MORNING!!!!!!!

Sorry, didn't mean to shout. Grin

Hello everyone, gosh I need to update the Brave Babes list don't I?

JWN - what footwear are you wearing today? I am imagining court healed shoes. Not sure why but cork wedges don't suit a Monday!! Grin

Red - nice to see you here, so glad you are ok!! Don't worry about feeling Blush at the meeting, they have seen it all before, I'm sure!!!

Great to see some honest posts. It really does help.

TOADY I WILL NOT BE DRINKING or eating crap!! Healthy food only from now on!! I need to shift my jelly belly!!!

I look like <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=fatmouse.bobbis.net/fatmouse_data/fatmouse.jpg&imgrefurl=fatmouse.bobbis.net/&usg=__0dmrXrQWFM2NQr-PDQSbbkjdZUg=&h=261&w=382&sz=38&hl=en&start=0&sig2=CMv1nXvbARr5l514vwnMJw&zoom=1&tbnid=vAtkwhpeZsOlVM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=168&ei=U66ETPazNo-RjAe2nOjmCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfat%2Bmouse%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D983%26bih%3D399%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=235&vpy=113&dur=312&hovh=185&hovw=272&tx=157&ty=107&oei=-q2ETOijNouGswbQ2rmaBQ&esq=4&page=1&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this Grin

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MsGee · 06/09/2010 10:09

Hi Red, positivity is good - all about moving forward eh? Smile

Thanks, I do feel upbeat. Very different from a few weeks ago. DH even said yesterday that perhaps we can try for another baby after we move Shock. However, baby steps... littleMsGee has been a delight all weekend (and earned all her reward chart stickers for poos!). We've even had less tantrums from her, probably because she isn't bored rigid watching me mope about.

venusandmars · 06/09/2010 10:11

Hi msgee, your weekend sounds great - well great for someone with a little child, now that my dcs are past that stage I have much less tolerance for toddler-filled activities. I could still manage a picnic, but a disco in my own house would have me hiding in the garage Grin.

We went to the marvellous fireworks dispay that mark the end of the Edinburgh festival. Previously that has always been an excuse for a very boozy picnic with friends, and I always assumed that everyone else was the same. Last night though I noticed that boozy picnics were the minority, and most were either family affairs or tourists just enjoying the spectacle. How had I been so deluded? And why did I think that 45 minutes of massively loud, spectacularly brilliant fireworks ever need any enhancement?

MsGee · 06/09/2010 10:11

Ooh Mouse, your mousefur looks nicely groomed!

I should really join you in the not eating crap but its getting to winter, so will be easier to hide my belly under jumpers. Although I am starting to feel an excess of energy so seriously considering joining the gym once I move.

What are your healthy eating plans? I need some ideas...

MsGee · 06/09/2010 10:14

venus, your weekend sounds lovely too. I know what you mean about looking at events with new eyes. When I was at the do yesterday I would normally drink and assume everyone else was doing the same and yet, very few people were.

My DD has very low standards and doesn't really expect much in the way of a disco - so it was just loud music on the stereo (not too loud or she looks at me and says "too noisy mummy") and me and her dancing about. Good exercise I figured!

swallowedAfly · 06/09/2010 10:15

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venusandmars · 06/09/2010 10:19

Mouse that is hilarious. I laughed out loud.

I particularly liked these bits on the website:
"Fatmouse is a superstar par excellence. You do not question fatmouse"
"Fatmouse can make you a winner. Fatmouse can make you a loser. Fatmouse doesn't care about either. It is for you to care about fatmouse."

Brilliant Grin Grin Grin

venusandmars · 06/09/2010 10:22

Morning SAF. That's the way to do it.

RedMoomin · 06/09/2010 10:27

Loved the picture mouse! Very sweet! (I am sure that it's not actually representative though!

Good morning SAF - nice to meet you! You are doing totally the right thing re not thinking about tomorrow.

It's so nice to be back and not be hungover, hurrah!

Mouseface · 06/09/2010 10:34

Happy to give the Babes a laugh on a Monday!!!! Grin

MsGee - I'm just stopping the 'empty' calories and junk, like biscuits, chocolates, bags of crisps etc.

I'm reducing my calories. So, instead of a huge sarnie, crisps and a chocolate bar or biscuit for lunch, soup and a muffin is plenty!

I have been replacing alcohol calories with junk calories. Time to take control of that part of my life!

And doctors tomorrow to take more control of my whole life!! Smile

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MIFLAW · 06/09/2010 10:57

"I hate being awake at night and just can't get comfortable. This is why I drink too much too often. Someone tell me about sleep and stopping drinking please?"

Simple - temporary sleep deprivation won't kill you.

Sustained heavy drinking will.

Does this help you to prioritise?

Mouseface · 06/09/2010 10:59

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

The new builders (we sacked the others for being way beyond shite) have their own kettle, coffee and milk! Shock

AND........ they are listening to Radio 2!!! Ken Bruce!!!

Grin
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Mouseface · 06/09/2010 11:02

Morning MIFLAW. Smile

How was your weekend?

Grin
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Anniegetyourgun · 06/09/2010 11:13

Excuse me - I'm going to take a tremendous liberty here and post, will delete it if it strikes a false note. You see, I'm not an alcoholic, not even lying to myself, I'm really not! (Got a few habits we won't talk about but they're not alcohol or drugs.) Every now and then, though, I like to read this thread because it is so totally uplifting to see fabulous women - and men - grabbing a new lease on life. Even those who slip, admit it and start again, it's triumph of the human spirit stuff, you're great people, and I expect there are many others who don't have this precise problem who read and cheer too. So I read it this morning, and a couple of thoughts occurred which might be helpful - or annoying. Hence my tentative approach.

You talk about going to a social event and how very very hard it is to refuse a drink. Because you don't want to refuse it, I get. But because people will notice? Er no, sorry. That one is bullshit. Put it on the "reasons to drink" list along with it's raining, it's sunny, it's term time, it's the holidays and all those excuse you don't buy any more.

Sometimes I'm driving or on medication or (years ago) pregnant, or even not in the mood for booze. On such occasions I say "I'm not drinking alcohol today" and reach for the orange juice. There are only two ways other people react to this. Most will say "ok" without much interest. A few, possibly pursuing their own agenda, will press you on the grounds that "one glass won't hurt". The response that works for me is to smile brightly and repeat in exactly the same tone of voice as before "I'm not drinking alcohol today". I wouldn't generally go into the reasons why I'm not drinking, it's not something one needs to excuse. (It could be "because I'm an alcoholic", but that's none of their damned business is it?) It is a very rare, very rude and probably already drunk person who will push it further, and who wants to oblige someone like that?

It isn't easy to say no, of course, because you want the drink. That is the issue. Whether you really want this drink more than you want to stop. What "they will think of you" though, that is a complete non argument. Most people don't judge in that way, and those who do have their own problems imo. Maybe you'll do them a favour by showing them what a person having a good time without alcohol looks like. It may make them look at their own intake with a more critical eye, who knows? Not that it matters really. You're responsible for your own drinking, not for theirs, any more than they are responsible for yours. It's no good claiming they made you drink by, er, being there seeing you not drinking!

I guess because you've been in that habit some people described, of comparing your own intake with other people's, you assume everyone is doing the same, so how much you have will be of great interest to them. Actually, for those whose life doesn't revolve around alcohol, really, we couldn't care less what you have in your glass and actually not all that bothered what's in our own, as long as it tastes ok. Maybe if it was exceptionally nice and some greedy swine swiped the last of it I might be a little miffed, just as some people would be cross with me for having more than my fair share of the blancmange Blush.

God that sounds patronising, and it so isn't meant to. Just thought the perspective might be helpful.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/09/2010 11:15

all those excuses*

MIFLAW · 06/09/2010 11:17

Good thanks - you?

RedMoomin · 06/09/2010 11:32

I enjoyed your post Annie, thanks. The only people who get bothered if I choose not to drink alcohol are those - as you said - with their own problems/ agenda. Nice to get confirmation from you!

Mouseface · 06/09/2010 11:35

Yes thanks MIFLAW! Survived another few days!!

Hello Annie - great post! Thank you. Smile

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venusandmars · 06/09/2010 11:41

Thanks Annie always nice to have an insight into the 'non-drinking' mind. Shows just how bizarre my thinking had become.

Lucilastic · 06/09/2010 12:12

very good at forcing myself to "lie" my way through hangovers whilst feeling dreadful inside.

I can identify with this. I do it all the time, especially around the MIL (who we live with) who doesn't especially like me anyway.
Hello to all the new posters. I am very very new myself although have been following this thread for weeks now.
I was pretty drunk yeserday and the day before that. Because it was the weekend and DP had a couple of beers then stopped that it was ok for me to neck back the drinks from lunchtime both days.
I cannot remember certain conversations with my inlaws/DP/my kids.
It's a horrible, shameful feeling.

MIFLAW · 06/09/2010 12:13

Also, sleep deprivation is temporary and can, if necessary, be addressed through proper medication and/or therapy.

Problem drinking is typically permanent, gets progressively worse, and cannot be cured, nor typically even arrested, except by stopping drinking.

MIFLAW · 06/09/2010 12:15

"it was ok for me to neck back the drinks from lunchtime both days."

OK for who? If you want to drink, drink! You're a grown woman, aren't you?

Tellingly, though, it doesn't sound like it was okay with YOU.

And that is what you are going to need to start basing your thoughts and actions on.

Lucilastic · 06/09/2010 12:26

I agree MIFLAW. My drinking and subsequent behaviour isn't ok. It left the realms of normal, sociable and controlled a long time ago.
I know it's not ok to drink at any time of the day as quickly as possible to reach the drunken "hit" I crave.

It doesn't work anymore anyway. I need more and more alcohol to reach the feeling I used to get after a couple of wines. The pissed feeling is wrecked by the guilt and shame of how much I drink these days.

I have cancelled a night out with friends in The City tomorrow because I feel so awful and don't want to go into a pub.
I need time to think all this through.

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