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Male masturbation

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NinaJane · 11/08/2010 11:24

I just need some insight please - perhaps some blokes can help shed some light on the subject for me.

I always thought that masturbation is a normal and healthy thing to do. Actually, I still think so.

Thing is, my dh wanted to get frisky with me the other night, but I was completely knackered and brushed him off. At the time, he did not seem upset about it, but the whole of the next day, he froze me out. I asked him what his problem was and he explained that he needed sex. He said that he gets a semen built-up every 2nd day or so and that he needs the physical release. If not, he walks around with an unintentional erection the whole of the next day and it frustrates him, as he needs to concentrate on work. He says that he then feels annoyed and irritated towards me for having to deal with it the next day.

I asked him why doesn't he just masturbate - I honestly don?t mind, seeing as it is just a physical release he seeks. He then went on to explain that he feels that masturbation is unhealthy in a marriage. He says that it is the easiest thing in the world to do, to switch the computer on, look at some pictures and do what is necessary, but he feels that is a betrayal to me, because he is not thinking of me when he does that.

He also says that because masturbation is so effortless, he is scared that instead of going through the whole built-up to sex with me (which let's face it - involves some work), he might just decide that it is easier to just masturbate (also, because he tired at night) and he does not want to risk our otherwise healthy sex life, by eventually just taking the easier route.

I told him that my libido hits a low sometimes, especially after having four children and because of being tired and that there are times when I really just am not up to it. He understands that and does not want to push me to have sex with him, but he says he needs the release. I then told him 'fine, when you need the release and I am not up to it and you don't want to help yourself, then I will allow you to bonk me, but please understand that my heart and mind is not in it'. He seemed grateful for that.

I love my dh - we have been married for a very long time and I have absolutely no problem accommodating him in this way - it really is no skin of my nose.

I suppose what I want to know is this: Is my dh's take on masturbation in the marriage unusual or do others agree his view?

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hobbgoblin · 11/08/2010 13:35

Yes but those women are probably just as low on self esteem as you are. So what if a person is good looking? What do you think of a woman who makes herself sexually available at the flip of a zip just because a man is aesthetically pleasing?

For goodness sake, do you think just because there are equally emotionally vulnerable women out there that validates him taking advantage of them.

Plus I bet they didn't throw themselves at him twice once they experienced his non functioning penis did they?

thesunshinesbrightly · 11/08/2010 13:37

I don't think your husband is the only one to behave like this.
My ex used to do it while i was sleeping but i didn't want it with him at all.

I don't see his reasoning then if you do actually 'want it' i think he is being inconsiderate.

MrsReality · 11/08/2010 13:39

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Malificence · 11/08/2010 13:41

NinaJane - did he bully you into sex soon after giving birth to your children? Or did he do the decent thing and wait until you felt ready?

Scorpette, harsh words but unfortunately true.
Your personal story illustrates what normal men think and do Smile.

thesunshinesbrightly · 11/08/2010 13:42

pozzling - That is exactly what i meant. Thank you Smile

MrsReality - I know. Not in his eyes it wasn't.

NinaJane · 11/08/2010 13:43

Mal, married for 14 years, together for 16. No, this has happened before. He said last night, that the only time we ever argue, is when we argue about sex. I suppose I've reached a stage in my life where I am questioning his behaviour, whereas before I didn't.

I did tell him last night that I have never offered him my body for sex (in that way), because I thought he would be offended. He reassured me that he does not find it offensive at all. So, I told him that I would like to go to the bathroom before we have sex. I came back and bent over. No kissing. He did try to arouse me. It didn't work, so I told him to get on with it.

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pozzling · 11/08/2010 13:46
Sad

Words fail me.

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Malificence · 11/08/2010 13:47

"I did tell him last night that I have never offered him my body for sex (in that way), because I thought he would be offended. He reassured me that he does not find it offensive at all. So, I told him that I would like to go to the bathroom before we have sex. I came back and bent over. No kissing. He did try to arouse me. It didn't work, so I told him to get on with it."

I'm sorry NJ - that's repulsive and as far from normal, loving sexual behaviour as it could be Sad .

hobbgoblin · 11/08/2010 13:47

Can you shush now you are making me feel sick...

Seriously though:
God this is awful.

What would he do if you told him to stop forcing you to allow sex?

What's his next tactic gonna be?

CelticBanshee · 11/08/2010 13:48

Holy shite Nina, that's fucking awful :(

bleedingheart · 11/08/2010 13:48

NJ- your last post (13:43)breaks my heart. I can't believe he could possibly get aroused by degrading his wife in this way and continue despite your obvious reluctance. This is not normal or acceptable.

pozzling · 11/08/2010 13:48

What is his attitude like generally towards you? Does he show respect for you in other areas? Do you make decisions jointly?

I really struggle to understand how he can show such a complete lack of respect i.e. that your body should be available for him whenever he 'needs' it regardless of your feelings.

thesunshinesbrightly · 11/08/2010 13:48

:( NinaJane - That is not normal.

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Malificence · 11/08/2010 13:59

NJ - are you telling him that you enjoy it? If you are then please stop, it's beyond damaging.

I'm trying to think of a less awful scenario where he thinks it's a kinky sex game and you actually love it. D/s sex can be a wonderful thing between trusting and consenting partners, (and it's always the submissive in real control) but that is obviously far from the case here.

AnyFucker · 11/08/2010 14:00

words fail me now, that people can live like this

I seriously hope this is a wind-up

I am going to have to flounce Sad

MIFLAW...sorry for my oversight earlier, I know there are decent men in this world (I know lots of them) and didn't mean to exclude you guys

EekaSqueaka · 11/08/2010 14:01

Regarding some men's sense of entitlement:

My Xh hospilatised me twice, then, realising he couldn't risk forcing himself upon me again physically, started to be violent with our toddler and baby DC and watch porn with them in the same room - if I didn't give him his own way the previous night. I left, sharpish.

The shame.

At the start, he struck me as relatively normal (I was very young, unsupported and inexperienced) but soon displayed many of the behaviours you have mentioned, progressing onto the above.

(As an aside, re Mal's point, we had sex 2 days after the birth of my first. I had no choice.)

Just wanted to warn that this may well get worse.

hobbgoblin · 11/08/2010 14:03

This doesn't quite add up with some of your other posts re your loving secure sexual relationship...

Scorpette · 11/08/2010 14:04

Oh god, that last description made me feel like crying. You just bend over and after a half-hearted attempt at pretending he cares about your pleasure, he just climbs on and goes for it? It sounds worse than the encounters some prostitutes have! I've studied accounts of domestic sexual abuse and child abuse for academic purposes and your account sounds chillingly like many of those; the mundanity of being used to someone else using your body for their needs and getting used to having to do what they want/tolerate things you don't choose for yourself. Just because he wants sex doesn't mean he has to have it or that you have to give it. I bet your DC would like chocolate for every meal but they don't get it, do they?

Sweetheart, you really need to value yourself more.

EekaSqueaka · 11/08/2010 14:05

I'm going to namechange now. That was a little too much disclosure, (even for me!) but worth it if it helps in any way.

BaggedandTagged · 11/08/2010 14:05

The thing is, when you've been in a relationship for a number of years, I think it is pretty normal to have to make a bit more effort to keep your sex life going (esp when you throw children, work, housework etc into the mix) and there are times I know when either DH or I take a bit of persuading (shamefully remember pawing at him when TTC and he'd just been at work for 15hrs) BUT this is really different to one partner just totally NOT being up for it whatsoever and the other one just carrying on regardless.

It's not a good situation.

And FWIW, married people wanking is perfectly normal. Have caught DH at it before- not sure who was more embarassed.

NinaJane · 11/08/2010 14:05

No Mal, I do not enjoy it. I offerred it as a compromise, basically to keep the peace - seeing that he seems unable or unwilling to sort himself out.

Yes, we had sex (after the birth of all 4 my children) in the week following their births, because he needed to shed his load.

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