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Is it possible to have affair but stay happily married/attached? Pls be honest.

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MabelMay · 14/07/2010 15:02

Hello All

I really need your honesty and experiences/opinions.
Without going into too much detail as I do wish to remain as anonymous as possible obviously, I have recently found myself falling for someone other than my DP. We have had our problems in the past, DP and I, but we have two lovely little kids together and I've never really been distracted by another man since being with him (8 years). Until now. Recently, after some months of feeling unbelievably attracted to this person, I've found out he feels exactly the same. I feel like I'm on the precipice of something. I have such strong feelings for this guy and have not felt this happy in years. I really want it to happen and yet I know you'll all think me stupid/selfish/naive/etc. But please tell me: Have any of you ever managed to have a brief fling/affair without it destroying your other relationship? Or know of anyone who has? Is it crazy to even think this can happen? I say brief because he is leaving the country for good at the end of the year... am I mad?

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MabelMay · 15/11/2010 21:38

Hi again.

First off, JustNotThatIntoMe - thanks so much for posting. Your story sounds very similar. I think you're right that if nothing else I should tell the counsellor about OM otherwise it'll all feel somewhat dishonest. Whether or not I then go on to tell DP or not eventually, I don't know...

That's exactly it re: the OM and getting a few answers. I really think these things can be so, so, so much harder to move on from if there is no adequate explanation from them. You can torture yourself for so long with questions, wondering if it was anything you did, wondering where on earth they were coming from, it's torturous. So I still truly believe that this will help me move on eventually. I don't have any anger or bad feelings towards him which means I hope I can move away from him emotionally sooner than I otherwise would have. I remember reading your story on bees thread and it sounded so painful, what happened with you and your OM. I hope you're feeling better with each day.

whenallelsefails and WW - as I said above, I think I probably will tell the counsellor - as long as I establish beforehand that she is happy for me to tell her something I may not be happy telling my DP.

I think that a big part of why I am investing so much emotional energy into the OM at the moment - in fact, I KNOW a big part of the reason, is that I know he's leaving the country soon. And that'll be it then. There's a good chance I'll never see him again in my life. If I knew he were always going to be around the corner then I truly think I would find it easier, right now, to move away from him and to really try to figure things out with DP.

But it's knowing that he's going so soon - and once he's gone then I really won't be able to see him again. So in a way, it's preventing me from moving on and fully engaging with my DP I guess. At least that's how I'm rationalising it. I wish I could move on from him beforehand, but that fact of him going soon is always there, in the forefront of my mind.

I really do want to give things with my DP a good chance. I know it sounds so hypocritical to say that having written so much about the OM. I think that WW and whenallelsefails are right about me hiding away from confronting my real feelings about DP though by distracting myself with OM. I am scared of realising that it really is never going to work. That we are inherently wrong for each other. I don't know.

I don't have a particularly clear head right now so I'm not sure if I'm making much sense. Only two glasses of wine but that's all it takes these days...

Thanks for giving me food for thought, all of you.

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Wordweaver · 15/11/2010 22:01

It's good to hear you sounding focused and calmer, Mabel - thank you for posting and updating. I hope you know that any comments or opinions I have are only ever intended in the spirit of trying to help you through a difficult time. It sounds as if you are finding that way and I am so pleased for you.

MabelMay · 17/11/2010 15:41

Just very briefly - I don't know if I was projecting but when I saw counsellor today (at what should have been couples therapy, but DP away) - I felt like she was looking at me thinking why on earth are you with this man? when I told her about the stuff my DP has said about us and our relationship over the past 8 years, and the reasons he's given for not getting married.
Of course he wasn't there to defend himself so I ended up defending him too!

She actually said, 'Why did you have a second child with DP if you were so unhappy?' God.

I told her about OM. Not all of it.

I'm actually having quite a bad day and I think that's why I'm lurking on mumsnet so much today. Not working. Have DCs now so better go.

I feel like running to the other side of the world. I can think of so few things right now in my life that are making me happy. Isn't that crap/pathetic?

I literally feel that if I left all of this behind (by which I mean, booked a flight, ran away) I wouldn't really miss any of it. I'm probably wrong. But that's how it feels right now.

Hope everyone is okay. ilmt hope your sick relative is doing okay? Haven't seen you on here for a while so thinking of you...

MMx

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Wordweaver · 17/11/2010 19:31

Posting and running as am going out with a friend, but I didn't want to go without replying. I am sorry that it's not a good day, but I should think it is because of all the food for thought you have had. I hope your evening improves, thinking of you and wishing you well. I don't think it's pathetic to want to run to the other side of the world. I ran to Peru once! x

Wordweaver · 17/11/2010 19:31

Not literally . . .

kkmom · 18/11/2010 20:45

hi there although having the affair may seem like the only thing that you want to do at the moment, in a year or so down the line you will have created a lot of hurt and upset...especially for yourself as well as your family and ....you will 100% regret it. What you are probably experiencing at the moment is lust rather than love and it will blow up in your face it always does. Nothing that cause that much hurt or involves lying or secrecy to other people around you will work out in your favour karma will come and bite you in the ass. take the good advice of everyone and save yourself a lot of heartache and guilt.

JustNotThatIntoMe · 18/11/2010 21:05

I'm really sorry today has been a bad day MM. Seeing the counselor will undoubtedly have stirred it all up for you, made you question it all again. Good days and bad days seem to go hand in hand, don't they? Just when we think we're getting somewhere, and we're feeling stronger and more positive, something happens to trigger all the emotions and feelings and questions.

I haven't updated my thread because I've gone into head-in-the-sand mode regarding what DH said to me re OM. If I start to analyse too deeply right now I KNOW I will set myself right back to square one, wondering why we are still together, thinking about OM and what might have been, questioning where all this is leading.

I can quite understand you wanting to run away from it all. I have very similar thoughts/lists of all I wish I could change. Our Relate counselor reminded us this is a hard time of year anyway, so dark and cold, and definitely harder to feel positive about things.

By spring you might feel so much better about all of this, for so many reasons you've touched on.

For now, I hope your emotions settle a little and you feel better and stronger again tomorrow.

whenallelsefailsmaketea · 18/11/2010 21:11

kkmom you are a bit behind the action here. MM has taken on board lots of the good advice she has been given and is working hard to sort out her relationship.

MM well done for telling the therapist. Did you ask her what she felt about you concealing your feelings about OM from your DP?

Have to post and run myself tonight, but well done for taking things forward. Treat yourself now as a reward!

As ILMT says better to move slowly than to stand still. She is having a tough time but I'm sure will be back again to guide us!

Wordweaver · 01/12/2010 08:20

Mabel, I've seen your posts on a couple of other threads and just wanted to say hi. Hope things are OK with you. I got the impression that things are not easy at the moment. Completely understand you may not feel like posting here right now, but just wanted to say that you have support here if/when you do.

karen1961 · 01/12/2010 14:22

Hi Mabel,

Please read my thread "common sense needed ..." If you want to feel like me, please go ahead but take it from me, while the experience may seem worth it at the time, the pain just isnt. I won't be doing it again thats for certain. So.... no its not possible Im afraid.

Good luck and take care

MabelMay · 01/12/2010 18:55

wordweaver - so nice to hear from you. I do feel like posting, but there's so much going on my head right now I feel like I'd need several pages. I will definitely be on soon - I'm just in such a muddle. I guess you see me and OM have been back in touch. I know, I know. We're "saying goodbye" in a couple of days. I am fully aware it's not the sensible thing to do - but I can't imagine not seeing him before he leaves.
The counselling feels like two steps forward, two steps back at the moment. DP still away a lot.
Will write a really proper post soon but just wanted to say 'hi' and thanks for thinking of me.

karen1961 - you'll see I started this post in early July. Things have changed since my first question. But you're right of course.
Thanks!

MMx

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ilovemyteddy · 02/12/2010 12:55

Mabel just wanted to say that I'm still reading your posts on various threads and still thinking about you. My mum is very seriously ill so my headspace is pretty full up at the moment.

I hope that when OM leaves the country you will find the space and time to work out what you want to do WRT your situation with DP. I wish you weren't going to meet OM, but I do sympathise with your situation. As WW says, there is support for you here if you need to talk.

xx

tadpoles · 02/12/2010 14:37

Having read most of this thread, I would suggest that it is the OP's partner who is the one who is "having his cake and eating it" (what a stupid expression!). He has repeatedly expressed doubts about the relationship and has also refused to commit to marriage, despite having been happy enough (I assume) to play a role in bringing children into the world.

I would say that given the above scenario, it is only a matter of time before the OP was going to fall for someone else, or at least seriously question the relationship.

Yet the OP is going though all this anguish as though it is all her fault that she has developed feelings for someone else. Cutting contact is not really here or there in my opinion (although the push me/pull you game sounds exhausting) as there seem to be some underlying issues that are just not revolved which won't go away even if the OM does.

Sounds like a really good idea to carry on with the counselling, both with and maybe also without your partner. I think you will be surprised by how much your view of the situation will change. And also I hope you can get to a stage where you no longer feel so unhappy and so like a "victim" in all this.

Good luck!!!

wannabeglam · 02/12/2010 15:49

I haven't read all of this as new to it and it's long. But I would say the object of your desire should never have told you how he felt, it wasn't fair on you. And from what I have read it does seem like he's after a affair - basically using you. I certainly don't think your relationship will survive it. You need to continue to work out what you want and if you think your relationship will survive his swinging feelings.

MabelMay · 06/12/2010 20:00

tadpoles - I really appreciate your post. I think we've 'chatted' on here before...? So much of what you say rings true for me. Funnily enough I had a big, honest chat with a very good friend of mine in RL - someone who also knows my DP very well. For the first time I told her about the way my DP has continually undermined our relationship and refused to marry me despite knowing it meant so much to me on the basis that he wasn't "sure enough". I hadn't wanted to tell anyone in RL before because i guess a part of me was embarrassed/ashamed/distraught and didn't want anyone to think that a) me and DP weren't really fabulous together and b) that I would stay with someone who made me feel that crap (however rarely).

She was gobsmacked. She knows he's basically a really decent guy but she said to me in all honesty she couldn't stay in a relationship like that, even with kids.

It also made me realise as i started to talk about it more and more (and this is NOT making excuses for my behaviour) that - because of all these "doubts", this refusal to marry - my relationship with my DP just did/does not feel as 'sacred' as it should. Almost like, if he doesn't see at as ironclad, for life, no questions, no doubts etc etc then why should i treat it as such? I know this isn't right, but I can totally see how this has made it so much easier/more acceptable for me in my mind to let myself get as far as I did with the OM, and to still justify it a little in my mind.

Unless we can totally fix this element of our relationship, these 'breakdowns/rants?' of my DP then I know we are doomed.

As for OM, I won't say much about him now - but I saw him for our "goodbye" on Friday and i just had such a great time with him. I felt in love with him, although it's probably not love - I don't know what to call it. But I'm so glad we did it. Yes, we kissed. A lot. I know it was wrong and perhaps i'm going to start a massive come down from the high of seeing him soon. And I will feel completely miserable when i know he's left the country. But for now, oh sad pathetic me, I feel happy that we had that chance to "end" things on a less confused, less heartbreaking note than before.

I do feel so sad about me and DP sometimes, especially since talking to RL friend. I was so in love with him at the start - and so determined for us to be together forever. But I feel so worn down, so angry, so completely under-appreciated by him. And I realise for 7 years I didn't really feel properly loved enough. I do now - because I think he senses me pulling away emotionally and he is trying really hard to show he wants/needs me. Just hope it's not too little, too late...

counselling again this week.

hope you're all well.

ilmt - sending you lots of thoughts and strength at this hard time for you. i appreciate you posting in the midst of all that.

MMx

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Wordweaver · 07/12/2010 11:40

Hello Mabel, good to hear from you. I saw your post about meeting up with OM on the other thread - hope you are feeling OK today.

It's great that you have spoken to your RL friend about this - and I think her response has helped you to look at the situation through more objective eyes.

It has obviously also helped you to see how you went about giving yourself 'permission' for want of a better word to let things develop with OM.

A couple of things have really jumped out at me - your comment about being so in love with him at the start and your use of the word 'undermined'. I think that is precisely what these regular wobbles of his have done, and it's insidious and devastating.

If you undermine a building, no matter how strong things might appear on the surface, the whole structure is in danger of collapse.

I know you say that he is making you feel 'loved enough' at the moment, but what does that mean? For example, if it's him saying he loves you more often, making loving gestures, being romantic, to me that would sound nice but short-term unless you start to feel sure that he won't undermine you again. Like spending money on redecorating the building instead of on repairing the foundations.

Do you know what DP would have to do to persuade you that he would never again have one of his breakdowns/rants? To really make you believe it?

Is he going to be back for the counselling this week?

Sorry if you have answered this before, but how soon into your relationship did he start doing this?

Every post you write at the moment seems stronger and more focused. I really do admire you for the way you are handling things. I hope that your meeting with OM continues to give you a sense of peaceful closure.

ILMT - echoing MM's comment, sending you all good wishes and strength.

Hope everyone is coping with the big freeze. (Feel a bit fraudulent as I'm in one of the warmest places in the country and we have only had a dusting of snow.)

MabelMay · 07/12/2010 18:15

wordweaver don't want your post to go ignored although can't address is properly now.

Thank you for still being around.

Sadly I'm already coming down off the "goodbye" - not because I regret it as much as I am facing reality of probably never seeing OM again in my life. If only he was nearer - I might be able to think: one day, if it all fails with DP... but it's all too impossible.

Counselling at the end of the week. I want to be sure we talk about DP's rants - so I will bring this up at the start of the session if I can.

How soon into our relationship did he start doing this? It was about 18 months into it -bascially at the end of the honeymoon. He was having a really stressful time with work at the time and feeling insecure about work/his direction etc. I was really happy at the time, loving my work, making new friends (we were in a new country at the time)... that was the first time he said, "I'm not sure about this. I don't think you make me feel good...[type thing, i'm paraphrasing here]...think we should split up. blah blah. I thought at the time that any day he was about to ask me to marry him, so I was totally and utterly devastated. I basically tried to "talk sense" into him. The next morning he apologised and said he'd wanted to hurt me because I'd made him feel crappy about something - I forget what now. Something very silly, it always is - very trivial.

Then it was about 4 or 5 months after that.

Then once he disappeared for a couple of days. Just stormed out our flat at the time and didn't come back. Didn't tell me where he was going, switched his phone off. I was beside myself as I found out I was pregnant in those two days. I didn't tell him until he came back, full of apologies and promising full-on commitment and love and that he'd "never do this again". That was over 5 years ago...

Oh, dear - have to run got carried away will write more thoughtfully later.

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MabelMay · 07/12/2010 18:17

What I meant was, that was over 5 years ago, and the 'rants' never stopped - they just happened quite rarely (twice a year?) - and in the in between times it's mostly been very good... i suppose.

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TrinityMotherOfRhinos · 07/12/2010 18:19

I haven't read the whole thread and I can see that it has gone off on a tangent form the original op but just in answer to the question in the thread title my answer would be an absolute resounding NO

in no way whatsoever

IMO it just cannot happen at all

Wordweaver · 07/12/2010 22:10

Yes, it is a sickening, sickening feeling. I'm just so sorry. When does he leave?

The 'one day' thing might seem comforting, but I think it would be like keeping a wound open. You'd be stuck, unable to move forward from those feelings.

It seems impossible to say 'never again'. But it is possible. And one day it might even be desirable.

I would just like to say something to you as 'unharshly' as I can. You've talked before about saying a proper goodbye to OM - about getting a sense of finality and closure with peace and kindness between you. It sounds as if you did all those things in this last meeting.

So, if you are serious about not ending things with DP, and if you are serious about ending your communication with OM, there will be no better time than this to cut all contact. This is IT.

This sounds exactly like the scenario you have spelled out before as being the best way to say goodbye. If you make contact again or respond to contact from him, you will be sending yourself a message about your relationship with DP as clear as day. And you will feel tempted.

You know that I think your DP has been very cruel in his behaviour towards you at times. I think you also know that I believe it would be wise to tell him everything that has happened.

I realise I may be misreading the facts here, but it seems significant that OM is going to live abroad. And travel and living in foreign parts is part of what you have identified as happier times. What did you find attractive in DP when you first got together? Are there similarities with OM?

It's appalling that this whole pattern began as a punishment. It's appalling that he left for those two days without telling you. But above all it's these regular rants of his that are so cruel.

Life isn't black and white, of course. I understand that you have love for this man and he for you. But love isn't a carte blanche for him to hurt you and be forgiven. I have learned that you can love someone and yet reach a point where it is too self-damaging to be with them any more. You can love them but have to leave.

His past actions show a vengeful side to him. Someone hurts him, he hurts them back worse. That must be pretty deep-rooted and it is going to take a hell of a lot of willingness and energy on his part to change his behaviour. But if that isn't addressed, it'll be his automatic fallback position, and the rants will happen again.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of you bringing that subject up at the next counselling session.

It is a long, long time for you to have been in this state of flux. You must have a very deep capacity for patience and strength and giving chances to people. And equally you must find it very hard to do anything that feels like 'giving up'. I'd imagine that this feeds into your relationship with OM as well.

But your self-preservation is starting to kick in, and that's a good thing. Because you do not deserve to be treated like this.

MabelMay · 08/12/2010 17:38

wordweaver first off: can I just say something? THANK YOU SO MUCH for sticking with me through all this shit. For still being there even though I've messed up, ignored advice, etc etc. Thanks, in short, for your patience and understanding and constant good advice. I think you and ilmt may have stopped me having a full-blown affair back in the early days, when I initially started the whole 'no contact' thing. If that had happened, god knows the mess I'd be in now. As things are, at least they are "manageable" and relationship with DP still salvageable.

In answer to all your questions/points:

OM leaves the country at the very end of this month. I'm not seeing him again beforehand because a) we have said goodbye now, and b) my DP will be around much more.

You are right. This is the time to cut all contact. We had about as nice and 'neat' a goodbye as we possibly could. Although we did both talk about 'when/if things ever change...' i.e. possibility of a future together at one stage. It was a lot of fantasy really. So, yes, you're totally right. We have exchanged a few texts since seeing each other. I was going to send a final email. But maybe even that is not a good idea...? Like one poster said on another thread - it's so much harder to break contact these days isn't it? What with the internet/emails/facebook - they're always there - accessible - at the tap of your fingers...

Wordweaver, you're also spot-on about the fact that OM lives overseas - and with a kind of wild, outdoorsy lifestyle that fulfils all my fantasies about what might have been my life. This absolutely has been part of his appeal. I can't believe, with two young kids, that at times I seriously contemplated the thought of grabbing them and taking them to the other side of the world, away from their dad. But I really did, when I was at the height of my infatuation/"love".

Actually, DP and OM are very different kinds of people. VERY different.

DP - handsome in a geeky way, intellectual -, fiercely driven, insecure, not sporty, very funny.
OM - handsome in a very physical, brawny way, laidback, confident, not that quick-witted but a very good laugh, sporty.
The antithesis I guess.

You're right too. DP does have a slightly vengeful side. He can be a complete monster. Deliberately to hurt me. He has so many good points of course, but the attacks on us have taken me to breaking point - anyway, you know all this.

You say: "you can love them but have to leave". I agree. I actually see the next 6 to 12 months as us figuring out if this is what we have to do - or if there is enough love and willingness left, on both our parts, to heal our damaged relationship.

The only thing I don't think I can do, WW, is tell him about the OM. It's over. It would just make DP more insecure and more likely therefore to go back to his "you've hurt me so I'm going to really fucking hurt you" ways. I want to give us as much of a chance as possible now - I really do mean that. And sadly I think that means not being totally honest about OM. Not yet, anyway. But we'll see... I may change my mind.

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Bigregrets · 08/12/2010 18:10

Hey MM: how are you? Just reading your latest posts and I like you, in the eaerly days of it ending with OM kinda held on to the "what if one day" in fact, when we found out about his wife (being pregnant) we said "lets not end it, just put it on hold for 5yrs" We, well I know def I, was trying to comfort myself with thinkings it's not over, just different-it was the only way I could do it in the early days but as another poster said (WW?) Holding on to hope it may work out one day is no good. I feel your pain I really really do. Each day is a new day but whilst it's a day more from when I last saw him, it's also a day more of moving forward from this hurt if that makes sense? I had a bit of a moment yesterday when I was thinking of OM and then thought of him, wife and child sharing sports day, xmas plays, 1st Xmas, 1st Birthday etc etc and realised that there is no way he will give all that up for me and why would he? He loves his wife (so he says) they get on well, about to share the most amazing experience of 1st baby together-he would have no reason to give that up, probably doesn't want to and has put our "fling" down to great sex, fab 3 mths and if I'm honest (even though it hurts) probably doesn't think about me no where near as much as I think of him so even if didn't want to move on (which I do, even though it's hard) I have no choice as he most certainly has. Keep strong chick xx

MabelMay · 09/12/2010 09:26

bigregrets - thanks for your post. I know you're right.

Throughout this whole thing I have actually, although I may have consciously denied it, always clung on to the hope (knowledge even?) that I would see the OM again. That there was always that hope/possibility.

Now that this possibility is gone I have to admit I feel heartbroken. I won't go on about this too much as I've already spent many posts in the past aching for him and getting support from other posters. The difference now is that the sadness/pain is no longer about 'why did he say X? what is he thinking? should I have done Y? I need to see him'. I'm just keenly aware that I am going to miss him so much. So much. I still can't believe I'm never going to see him again. What can I say? He felt "right" for me. That may be delusional. And it's all skewed by me feeling totally disillusioned by my relationship with my DP. But it's how I feel.

If he weren't going away, would I want to save my relationship with my DP? Honestly? Maybe not. But I have an opportunity to sort it out so I'm going to try.

Anyway, thanks bigregrets. I will defo try to stay strong. It takes all my strength just to stop me sending a text. Soon his phone number will be defunct anyway as he's leaving the country so no more english mobile. I think I'm going to find that hard. But at least it will stop me being able to text/call.

I am just going to hold on to the last time we saw each other. It is a good memory to have.

Need to concentrate on DP. Need to concentrate on DP.

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Wordweaver · 09/12/2010 10:02

Mabel, thank you for saying that. I am really glad that I've been able to be useful in some way.

MN offers a great deal of support and help in a variety of ways. I think that for me, reading the experiences of others has helped me to get my head around my past behaviour, face up to my own weakness/selfishness, see what got me to 'that place' and hopefully clear my vision so that I will never again let it happen.

I do forgive myself now, because I don't think there is any point in self-flagellation - it can be as self-indulgent as the thing you did in the first place. But I do not condone what I did or think that there was any excuse. I was single and I fell in love with a MM, and I didn't deal with that as I should have done.

I should have withdrawn from seeing or speaking to him immediately. He told me that he had strong feelings for me and again, I should have withdrawn, but I didn't. Out of loneliness, weakness and a basic refusal to look what I was doing in the eye, I kept telling myself that we could continue to be friends.

It took me some weeks to gather the strength and common sense to be able to call a halt and say that we had to stop being in contact.

I don't think you can control your feelings, but I do think you can control how and if you act upon them.

I chose to allow a situation to continue that I knew was wrong, because spending time with this person made me feel so happy and good. And nothing that I would have thought would stop me actually did. I told myself:

He's married.
He's capable of betraying and lying to his wife.
He would be willing to conduct a full-blown affair if I said yes.

But it was as if I were in a bubble and those words were bouncing off the outside of it.

In the end, two things gave me the strength/determination I needed. Those were:

The thought that I would never be able to simply walk down the street holding his hand. I didn't want to have a relationship that could not be open to the world's view.

A passage in a particular book where a character talks about rules being there for when it is hard to do the right thing, not when it's easy. That resonated hugely with me.

I don't regret the feelings I had about this man in and of themselves. I did genuinely love him. But I could have done that at a distance. I am very sad and disappointed in myself that I did not immediately do what I believed was the right thing and break off contact.

I lost respect and admiration for myself, and nothing will ever change that now. It is not a pleasant thing to live with. I have chosen to try to learn from it rather than ignoring it or pretending it never happened. I want to make sure that it can never happen again.

I have learned a lot of hard lessons through this experience and through my choices. I've realised that I am capable of acting against my own conscience and better judgement. I think I have come to understand a little better how people make the choice to walk into situations that from the outside seem utterly mad or stupid.

We are all capable of doing things that we consider 'wrong'. Feelings can be deceptive in that something can 'feel right' and yet be wrong. I am not talking about legally wrong - I mean the kind of wrong where someone innocent gets hurt and where you do damage to your own sense of self.

It was totally my own doing, and I had to live with the consequences. Without meaning to romanticise it, which is the last thing I intend, I had my heart broken. That wouldn't have happened or at least been so painful if I had cut contact the instant I realised what I was feeling. It is done now, and I have to live alongside it. I don't condone what I did, and I have tried hard (and continue to try) to understand why I let it happen so that I will never make a similar mistake. (I daresay there are rafts of other mistakes I'll make, of course, but I'm one down.)

I have never and will never go into any more detail about my situation on here, because I have no idea if his wife is a mumsnetter. If she is, I think it would be deeply hurtful to read about what I felt and thought, and would cause her completely unnecessary pain. This may sound over-cautious for an anonymous site, but I behaved with an appalling lack of consideration for her at the time, and I will not risk causing her any further hurt.

Sorry, that was a bit of a mammoth post, but I was touched by your comment and I wanted you to understand that MN has helped me to see many things about my situation more clearly - not only my own actions, but also the fact that he was following a pattern that many men before him have used. I hope that it can continue to help you too.

The way to stop something happening again is to understand how and why it happened in the first place, and work on that. MN gives us insights into other situations, choices and consequences, and is an amazing resource.

Bigregrets · 09/12/2010 10:16

WW - you talk a lot of sense. Talk some into me won't you!
I read a saying once that says "If you love somebody, let them go. If they return then they are yours, and if they don't? Well then they were never really yours in the first place" and this rings so true. Was I in love with my OM? No - i don't think thats possible after 3 months, i do however think that our "relationship" (if you can call it that) was very intense and made me feel like i loved him. It's a bloody hard struggle and i have realised (through coming on MN) that i have 2 issues which are completely seperate but link if that makes sense?

  1. my feelings for OM
  2. my marriage. Regardless of my feelings for OM, this is a seperate issue and needs to be addressed asap without thinking or taking into account OM ( no longer OM but you know what i mean)

We do have choices and i have made the wrong one when i started things up with OM. I could have said no, ignored his texts and not met up with him but i CHOSE not to and now i have to deal with that. We are all adults and have to take responsibility for our actions.