💰 Archers thread #121: Brookfield digs for treasure, Alice & Philip try to bury the truth. Dish the dirt here if you dig The Archers. PS Send nudes.

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you long to hear Pip again, or other unusual views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3853783--The-Archers-spoilers-thread-5-Cant-wait-for-7-02pm-Join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks to @LillianGish and @PersephonePromotesEquanimity for the title suggestions.

Current events: as @Bailey0703 has astutely spotted, it's Anti-Slavery Day tomorrow - could this herald the beginning of the end of the horses storyline? I do hope so. Horrible stuff, but what a blow for Kirsty. They're laying on the dramatic irony with trowel at the moment.

What do we think will happen to Alice and Chris? I can't see this pregnancy going to term and ending well. I don't think the marriage will survive either, giving Brian a chance to revisit his classic line about having to treat this as Alice's starter marriage.

Will Elizabeth end up on a date with Vince Casey? That would put the cat among the pigeons at Lower Loxley.

Over to you ...

Are you winding me up Asking.
Rhodri is the welsh for Roderick, I think Ruairi might be linked, but I'm not sure. Rhodri is popular on the Baby Names welsh names thread, but like many of the suggestions on there it seems middle-aged to me. R names like Rory and Roman are very popular at the mo.
Rhodri doesn't start with R but ykwim.

Not winding you up at all, because I thought you were referring to the spelling "Ruaridgh", which spelling looks to me like Confusion.

Rhodri is a wheel-king, from the Welsh for the two things; Roderick is a mighty ruler and comes from the elements "hrod" (fame) and "ric" (ruler). Most the various Roryalike or Rodrigoid names (Hroderich, Hrœrekr, Ruairi, Ruairidh, Ruaraidh, Ruaridh, Rhydderch, Roderic, Rodrigue, Rodrigo, Roi, Rory, Ruaidhrí, Ruarc, Ruaidrí, Ruairí, Rodrigo, Rui, Ruy, Rurik,) are related to Roderick, but Rhodri isn't necessarily one of them. (Says my friend Rhodri, who makes an irritating habit of saying "Just is the wheel" to settle arguments.)

Seriously: the names Ruairi and Rhodri originally come from different places. One is Germanic/Norse, the other is Cymric.

Josh is making an appearance moonlighting as Prince Edward in the crown. How apt.

Is he! Oh good. We watched Episode 1 last night. I love The Crown. Another dysfunctional family. I'd love to see Prince Philip have tried to persuade HMQ to take in one of his byblows and bring him up as her own. (Trying to create a tenuous link back to TA there.)

Jason Watkins as Harold Wilson was one of the highlights of the previous series. I'm sorry we won't be seeing him again (I assume).

Gillian Anderson is a tour de force. Absolutely obnoxious!

She's wonderful. During lockdown I caught up with all three series of The Fall. Wow.

@CodenameVillanelle

Gillian Anderson is a tour de force. Absolutely obnoxious!

But not a good portrayal of Thatcher, I think. The voice is all wrong. I was an adult when the events in this series were happening so it's strange to see it portrayed as history. I had no idea, at the time, that Diana was treated so badly from the beginning. I thought she had a good couple of years at least. Sadly, we were all wrong.

The actress playing her is very good but Diana, herself, had a different quality somehow. I met her, briefly, when she visited a community centre in Deptford where I was doing classes. I was very cynical and we were laughing abut how the loos had been specially decorated (she was pregnant with Harry and still being sick) but when she came in there was a wow moment. She was very, very tall and slim, a bit Barbie like, and kind of radiant. Who knew she was so unhappy? She didn't speak to me but those she did talk to said she was very easy-going and natural.

@CodenameVillanelle

Josh is making an appearance moonlighting as Prince Edward in the crown. How apt.

I didn't realise who it was. I always thought Edward was a bit of a non-entity, he came across as absolutely vile.

But not a good portrayal of Thatcher, I think. The voice is all wrong. I was an adult when the events in this series were happening

I was 6 when Thatcher got in. The way Gillian Anderson plays her is exactly how Thatcher sounded to my childish ears! A voice like nothing I had ever heard before, a bit like a scary pantomine witch.

Although as a character I dislike Siobhan I found the whole recording thing a bit tear jerking as my own mother died a few years ago and I don't have any recordings of her voice :(

It was carefully designed to be a tear-jerker. You know, like Love Story.

These things always make me feel “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

Love Story brings Dory Previn's wonderful lyrics to mind, from "The New Enzyme Detergent Demise of Ali MacGraw".

Rhodri is a wheel-king, from the Welsh for the two things; Roderick is a mighty ruler and comes from the elements "hrod" (fame) and "ric" (ruler).
I thought the origin of Rhodri was "hrod" (fame) and "ric". I'm sure that Broderick is of welsh origin (cf. Bevan, Bowen, Beynon etc)

Apparently Rory is Rhydderch. Now that is what I call a good welsh name.

Nothing to stop the Welsh from adopting Roderick as well as having Rhydderch!

Now that I am looking I can't find any baby-name site that says Rhodri doesn't mean wheel-king or in one place circle-ruler, and nor do the baby-name books, though I don't see myself: rhod is not wheel, rhi is not king, or at least, I don't think they are!

Meanwhile, I think Alice was looking at the stars through the bottom of a vodka glass.

I wouldn't use Rhod for wheel, i'd use olwyn (
not a girl's name, that is Olwen). I thought the ri was from 'bri' - fame.

Welsh can't have Roderick - no K and it would need to be Rodric or itt would sound like Rod Eric.

Ask, the baby name sites for welsh names usually have some peculiar entries - girls' names listed as boy's names, nouns and adjectives as names and so on.

Over in Baby Names names like Bryn and Carys are usually suggested and they are so old fashioned. Think Neil and Karen type names. They are not what welsh-speakers' babies are likely to be called nowadays.

Is it Welsh people who no longer live there who are asking or want to reflect their welsh roots (2nd etc generation). My mum is an immigrant and I have a name that comes from there. When I lived there briefly in my 20s, people always assumed I was much older until they met me as its the name from a different generation. Doesn't bother me in the slightest and I deliberately avoided top 10 names with my own dc.

I'm going by books from the 1980s and in one case 1880s as well, though. That was where I looked first, only going to the baby-name-sites in case they disagreed, which they don't. Only given what the two words are supposed to be, I don't see how any of the people who wrote the books or the sites got there.

So, um, is Cymric a Norse language, then? Hrod is certainly found with that meaning in Old Norse, Old English, Old German...

Fame, I mean. Ric(h) is rule or ruler or lord. An awful lot of names seem to come round to those, much of the time!

@Taswama, it is usually non-welsh speakers. The suggestions are often misspelt, names that were hugely popular in the 1960s, almost unpronounceable if you don't speak the language, or just weird.

I usually get into disagreements for things like saying 'Hmm, no, that will be a lifetime of explaining'. Then someone will say 'ah but my child is called e.g. Rhydderch/Gwenllïan and you can teach anyone to say it.' Then it transpires that they say the name as Ruddurck/Gwen, and I am apoplectic.

I can fully understand why Mrs Moss named her child Philip.

I believe that I'm a Celebrity is filmed at Gwrych. I'll have to try to find out how that gets said. Another argument I get into is that Welsh names get mangled - vowels transposed etc.

Not a single comment since last night? Gosh. When Alice was out looking at the stars, do we think she had first refreshed herself from her secret stash?

Miscarriage it is then. Apparently without the gallop beforehand.

Oh God, Chris is going to start going on about ‘trying again’ (hate that phrase- always conjures up dreadfully graphic images) before breakfast.

I suppose last night's episode felt rather artificially truncated? I know it's a soap but it's not cool to create a cliffhanger out of a possible/probable miscarriage. No one's going to race here to type "Oooh - how exciting!"

Poor Alice (!) sounded proper terrified ...

And OMG - how slow is David?

Not for nothing were Ruth and David labelled The Dopeys on the old BBC messageboard. (As I recall, Keri Davies, who was the board host for a long time, got quite irate about that. )

What I don't get is how Eddie expects to get away with finding treasure on Brookfield land and selling it without the Dopeys finding out? Surely anything found on someone's land belongs to them, not the finder, and any reputably buyer would ask for proof of ownership?