Lies and subterfuge in Ambridge - from a policeman? That's just not cricket! Discuss The Archers here.

[PseudoBadger]

Thank you R4 for the title.

Didn't Pip swear Ed to secrecy? He'd have been very unwise to say anything to his dad, given how much of a gossip Eddie is.

I see my hopes of Tiger returning disappearing over the horizon...

But maybe he will turn up at the wedding and declare his undying love [ironic ]

As I say, I'm just an old romantic.

I know I shouldn't like Brian but I really do.

Surely the wedding won't be for a long while.

Probably not...
so Tiger has a chance before that then eh?

Does anyone watch Countryfile? They were pushing the Young Farmer of the year competition this evening. I'm seriously tempted to enter Pip for her sterling work in using natural methods to cull the Brookfield herd. 😄

I know I shouldn't like Brian but I really do

He's played so well - spot-on timing in the conversation with JD and Lilian. Dreadful double standards about the inconveniences caused by affairs, of course.

I don't blame Lilian. A bit of fun is all very well but committment to a confessed serial cheat is quite another matter. Plus I get the impression Justin needs a woman to look after him and can't manage on his own, which is a red flag for me.

He's played so well - spot-on timing in the conversation with JD and Lilian.

And a subtle undertone of cynical understanding, I couldn't help but think...

I don't blame Lilian either. She made it clear that she's just in it for fun - ascot, glyndeborne, champagne. She's not interested in being a wife and it was rude and entitled of Justin to presume.

Auld A proper relationship is one where you CAN share few interests and enjoy a walk by a lake or wherever. Not just banging every day and going out to the effing races.

Lil is frightened of normal domestic life.

I do think there's a bit of character changing going on here . Come on Script Writers read up Lil's character archives.

I don't know if Lillian is out of character. I think Justin was her rebound relationship and it was safe because he was married and therefore she didn't have to take it too seriously.

I 'm not sure about that Anti The way she sighed and moaned over him when she could'nt see him for a few days, wasn't lighthearted, and the way she's carrying on now!!

I really liked Brian's interjection, Jenny's a drip.

I think he was a distraction and she liked having him around. I don't think she necessarily wanted a serious relationship though. It's quite a step change

I don't think SHE knows what she wants actually, like an 18 yr. old!

Justin is a serial cheat.

Although he claimed that he and Miranda had 'an understanding', subsequent events showed this to be a definite exaggeration.

Justin treated Muranda with a great deal of disrespect during his affair with Lilian.

Justin flatly refused to listen to Lillian about Rob, and has a history of trampling over anyone who disagrees with him or gets in his way.

Throughout the relationship, and especially in the past fortnight, Justin has made decisions about the relationship without discussing the issues with Lilian.

In his professional life, Justin is a bully.

I would think very, very carefully before marrying him.

I think that she enjoyed feeling young and exciting and desirable and naughty. I think that she loved the way Justin made her feel without necessarily loving Justin. When Matt left, her self-confidence was badly damaged. I think that Justin was part of her trying to find her way back from that.

But he did apologise about the Rob thing. You're right he's a user Broomstick So is Lilian, they are well suited IMO.

But he did apologise about the Rob thing
yes, after the event when the stefan/culvert thing came out, not really because he'd had any qualms about hiring the man who'd abused Lillian's neice. If it hadn't been for Stefan, Justin would have been all too happy to carry on using Rob for his dirty work . He used and bullied Rob too - he really enjoyed pulling his chain at the end - which may have been somewhat gratifying for listeners but not exactly a great character reference.

There you go Errol She likes 'bad boys' Matt was a bona fide criminal, (with a prison sentence to prove it) some posters seem to have forgotten.

I didn't! I hated Matt. And I have never forgotten the crappy way Lillian treated Brenda.

Paul wasn't a 'bad boy' though. At least at the start. In fact I don't remember him having much of a personality until he turned all controlling.

He was a sop. I've kind of blanked the Paul episode from my memory because it didn't make any sense

I like Matt as a character - much more than Justin.

Well thanks glowfrog .

Paul was a 'coercive controller' . He was horrible to his children and his ex wife. The CC was starting with Lilian before he died. Though Lil has seemed to have removed it from her memory.

Some of the Paul stuff was on "Ambridge Extra", which was for "da youth", and easily missed.

Actually, much as I like the actors playing Justin and Lilian, I'm tired of this Justin and Lilian stuff. Maybe Hugh Canoe can organise a "Ambridge Autumn Sonata" spin-off for story lines about their "love life" and some of the other mature characters like Joe Grundy and his ferrets, Christine, Derek Fletcher etc etc (but obviously keep Peggy, Jim and Jill in the main show ).