So, does John Archer have a secret love child?

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Is that what Pat was getting at tonight when she was quizzing Susan about how old Kylie's half-brother was? Or am I way off beam?

Sorry, my maths was horribly out last night. But I'm not sure of the dates - isn't Rich 'much younger' than Kylie? If he was born in 97, he'd be about 14. I got the impression from his voice on the phone that he was about 9 or 10.

Wouldn't Sharon have been in touch before now if she was going to claim the inheritance?

I think Sharon sounded as if she was well rid of the lot of them,and built herself a good life. Cant see her crawling back for any inheritance.

Kylie told Susan he's 13, Christine - in fact it was something like "12, no, 13" as if he'd just had a birthday which fits even more closely with the last shenanigans with John (if there were any)

John died Feb 98; if Rich just turned 13 he was born around Oct 98. It does fit.

But but but John was in a relationship with someone, wasn't it Haley?

Yes but he cheated on Hayley with Sharon. I think he asked Hayley to marry him but she turned him down because she had found out about the affair with Sharon. And then he went and fell off the tractor or whatever it was (I actually still remember the scene where Tony found his body)

Emma has been on facebook with Kylie, according to Susan. I bet there will be a photo of the brother who will be the image of John.

Oh yes you're right WhatSheSaid and then Tom had a thing about Haley when she helped him with Johns pigs.

I remember when Tonyfound him too. I think he said 'you're so cold' - I blubbed so much. I was v pregnant and it was a complete shock. NOt like Nigel's heavily trailed SATTC demise.

I thought as I pressed 'post' that the Archers have always been rubbish at getting children's voices right and age appropriate :o

Oh god, northern, I remember the accident really clearly. It was absolutely awful. Nigel's death was a bit 'meh' in comparison

& Helen was so unbelievably cold & rude to Hayley that she withdrew from the farm completely. Cow.

I remember too when John's tractor fell over - it was one of those vintage ones which Tony was restoring, & they don't have cabs, which is why John was squished. Coming just after Hayley had rejected his apologies there was always a bit of a question mark over whether it might not have been a complete accident...Tony finding him was very moving.

they did not play the theme tune at the end; there was just silence. Very effective

I had forgotten that Ponders. It was really, really sombre. Helen was an utter cow to Hayley and now it's odd to think that she was with John when she is so happy with Roy. Does she ever speak to Pat and Tony?

Having though about this, surely it was more than 13 years ago?

Just found you can hear the moment Tony found him on the BBC website......under the timelines bit

oh, northern - I just listened & filled up all over again

That is sooooo sad, I will look more kindly on Tony now.

It's awful isnt it? Tony is so annoying and then he has moments of pure strength. I was very moved too by his anxiety as he waited for Henry's birth. Pat was with Helen and all he had to do was sit and regret how grumpy he'd been.

I loved it when Tony took Henry outside Grey Gables during Peggy's birthday party to 'give Helen a break'.Nice Grandad.

I like Tony. Ok, he's a bit grumpy sometimes but wouldn't you be with Helen as your offspring? :o

I remember the "You're so cold" too. He felt very guilty as he'd been nagging John to do whatever it was. John had been too distracted by Hayley finding out about him and Sharon and Tony was v cross that John hadn't been pulling his weight.
Plus there was something about John's taking the Fergie as Tony hadn't done something to their modern tractor.
I howled too. As an expat in the those days before broadband and the iPlayer I used to get TA from a friend whose mum taped the omnibus for her. Remember listening to it on the tram going to work and being all weepy.
Mind you, that was nothing to listening to Ruth giving birth to Pip - the shrieks Got me 4 seats to myself.

Listening, I add, on one of these

Just been catching up on iPlayer.

I did wonder why Kylie had been reintroduced to Ambridge. But surely Pat is going to be disappointed?

I vaguely remember Sharon had a pregnancy scare when she was with John. It was one reason why she left him.
Trying to remember how much time there was between Sharon and John being together (when he and Hayley were living together) and Sharon turning up in the churchyard and meeting Hayley. Surely if she had been pregnant it would have been noticeable?

Hope it all comes to nothing anyway as am fed up of Bridge Farm atm and don't know if I can cope with Helen doing a Lizzie-and-the-Brookfield-inheritance stroppy (organic) cow act.

I think Kathy could have been a little bit kinder to Pat, all she wanted to talk about was Jamies resits.

Can't find it the audio of Tony, please post link, thanks