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Should girls and boys at age 8+ (Yr 4) be changing for PE together?

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Jules2 · 06/03/2014 14:12

My DD (aged 9.5yrs) has recently told me she feels a bit embarrassed having to change for PE in front of the boys in her class. I hadn't given the matter a thought until she raised it. It's not as if she has much to 'conceal' and she certainly doesn't come from a prudish family - I guess it's just the age she and her peers are at now. There are some quite developed girls in her year and some Muslim girls and boys (but I imagine they just stay in their regular clothes). I'm told the policy is the same for all years - even Yr 6. I mentioned it to the deputy head and this was her response:

''It is school policy to require all the children to change in the same room as this is the means by which the teacher can fulfil their safeguarding duties by monitoring any signs of potential neglect/abuse. We advise any children who are becoming a little self-conscious to wear a t-shirt top which does not need to be removed and, if necessary, their shorts under their clothes.''
I'd be interested to hear from parents and teachers about how this is handled in their schools. Is this a common school policy throughout the UK? It seems not to take into account the feelings of the children and is not very practical - e.g. the idea of wearing shorts under your school clothes on a warm/any day - not very comfortable!
Incidentally, my DD's teacher is male and so is the TA who takes PE and is also present when they change. I don't have an issue with this but it seems a bit odd to think they (or any teachers) are 'monitoring' , i.e. looking at children while they change.

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Marmitelover55 · 06/03/2014 16:42

Just asked DD in year 5. Apparently boys change in the classroom and girls change in the toilets and this had been the same since year 4.

MistletoeBUTNOwine · 06/03/2014 16:52

Just asked dd, all change in classroom at their tables, so girls and boys all mixed up.
She gets very embarrassed Blush I never knew...
What/ who should I speak to? The head is a massive knob, had issues with him before supporting a bullying teacher ...

Silkyandmoonface · 06/03/2014 18:20

We are two form entry so from y4-y6 girls change in one classroom, boys in the other. A teacher in each class.

circular · 06/03/2014 18:33

DD2, now yr6, got very embarrassed last year about having to change together with boys. In the end, she just changed her tights for socks, put shorts or trackpants on under her skirt before taking it off, and refused to change her polo shirt. Kept a spare top in her PE bag which she would slip into the toilet and change into afterwards if she felt she needed to.

Now in yr6 they have separate changing rooms, which is a great relief.

mrz · 06/03/2014 18:43

It can't be that hard to keep an eye on two lots of kids surely? It's pretty difficult if they are in different rooms - hard to be in 2 places at once.

mulv2222 · 06/03/2014 19:37

Ridiculous that they cant get changed in another room - a teacher isn't with the children all the day. There are times they are in a separate room for 5 minutes.

Some girls start periods at 9/10. Thankfully ours get changed separately from year 3 onwards.

sparklyma · 06/03/2014 19:38

My year 4 class get changed separately. Don't think it's a big deal to get changed together though. They are still young.

AnxiousAugusta · 06/03/2014 19:51

bigTilly - yes, I would speak to the school before pulling her out of PE but, to be frank, it would be like speaking to a brick wall. She does a lot of sport outside school so it wouldn't matter if she didn't do the pitiful PE lessons they do in class. Anyway, hopefully she won't become self-conscious.

BabyMummy29 · 06/03/2014 19:53

At our school, they change together in the classroom up to P3, so around age 7.

After that the girls change in the toilets and the boys in the classroom as they can't be trusted not to be silly in the toilets

anothernumberone · 06/03/2014 19:56

Our kids wear their PE gear on PE days it works well maybe you could suggest it to the school.

MilkRunningOutAgain · 06/03/2014 21:56

In yrs 5& 6 the poor boys change in the corridor, there are no changing rooms. DS in yr 6 says they are rarely supervised but that the yr r's doing dancing in the school hall near by peep round the corner at them! He also says they don't mess about much, not sure I can believe that!

idril · 06/03/2014 22:10

I've been discussing this issue with another mum (my oldest is still year 3 so not an issue yet). She just had to buy her year 5 daughter her first bra and I asked her about changing for PE and she said they all get changed together.

I really, really can't believe this. Why are we accepting that this is how our children are treated? It could be so easily solved by a simple (and probably cheap) room divider. I don't even mean permanent ones - just something like this

www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/30245770/

I think my children are embarrassed when they are older, I will buy one of these and ask that they use it.

TamerB · 06/03/2014 22:18

The average primary has no room. They don't fit in the toilets and that leaves the corridor- wherever they go half will be unsupervised.

Picturesinthefirelight · 06/03/2014 22:18

Ours changed separately from year 3 onwards.

sparklyma · 07/03/2014 06:15

Idrill. Where do you suggest the room divider is stored between weekly pe lessons? Space in most primary schools is non existent. Each class would need one as moving it would be a faff each time you did pe.

insanityscatching · 07/03/2014 06:39

They change separately from y3 onwards in dd's school. Every class has male and female staff either male teacher/female TA(s) or vice versa so females supervise the girls who change in either the nurture room or dance studio and boys change in the classroom.

ShellyF · 07/03/2014 06:41

Ours change in different rooms from Year 3.

pixiepotter · 07/03/2014 08:21

No they change separately from Y1 onwards at our school

angelcake20 · 07/03/2014 11:44

Ours change separately (and unsupervised) from year 3, but the school was built as a secondary and we have ample changing rooms.

foofooyeah · 07/03/2014 11:49

In my sons school (he is in year 5) the boys have a separate changing room, girls only get changed in the classroom. I don't think they should be changing together ..... They are really starting to notice differences and tease each other and I don't think it's appropriate.

MirandaWest · 07/03/2014 12:39

I checked with both DS (year 5) and DD (year 3) and everyone gets changed in the classroom together. Not sure if things change in year 6.

idril · 07/03/2014 15:09

The divider I linked to is advertised as easy to fold and store away. I live in London and the school is very, very tight on space but I know for sure that there would be space to slot it behind a cupboard or something.

pennygallops · 08/03/2014 00:22

These seemly simple ideas of changing separately can be difficult to organise. Who supervisors the children? Where should they change?
Where I teach, we don't have cloakrooms outside the classroom. My Y3s all get change together. There is no issue at this age - just how long it takes!
At my own DCs school they change separately for Y5 and 6. However, my DD was embarrassed last year, but wore a vest and mastered a dressing/undressing technique to not show her pants or vest!

mrz · 08/03/2014 07:22

I wonder how many of the parents worrying about children getting changed take their child to the swimming pool and allow them to wear a swimming cocostume in public Shock or allow them to wear a swimming costume at the beach or around the pool on holiday Shock

AnxiousAugusta · 08/03/2014 07:40

mrsz - you really are a Sneery Teacher type, aren't you?