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"punishment" in year 1

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makemineaginandtonic · 28/09/2010 17:09

DD is not settling into Yr1 particularly well and especially dislikes "carpet time" because it's boring and her bum goes numb. Today she was talking (actually reciting a poem from a book she borrowed from school!) during carpet time and as a result was delayed going out to play time and had to spend extra time on the carpet.

I really don't agree with "punishments" such as this, especially when it is keeping her from a physical activity which might actually calm her down and make it easier to sit still!

What other experiences of "punishments" are out there?

should I talk to the teacher and tell her what I think?

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DreamTeamGirl · 29/09/2010 17:04

I have to say I didnt find the posts THAT awful,- mrz's first post in particual was spot on. I think it was the OPs responses that made it worse

All that said, my DS would not sit on the carpet with his legs crossed and got into lots of trouble for it early in reception
Turned out he was trying to cross his legs and his trousers were feeling too tight so he couldnt - he had never worn rigid school type trousers for any length of time before as he loved 'softies'
XP showed him how to hitch them up a little before crossing legs, and hey presto, he was back to being good again
If OPs DD gets numb whenever she sits on the floor then check physical reasons. If not support the teacher to help make her behave nicely

piscesmoon · 29/09/2010 17:13

If you ask a question you have to be prepared for the fact that people will think you wrong-otherwise why ask? Just have a quiet word with the teacher-I can't see why it even needed a thread!

mrz · 29/09/2010 17:20

QuickLookBusy Wed 29-Sep-10 12:10:01

Well glad you agree that she should speak to the teacher cory, but most posters said she would be thought of as a PITA if she did.

Actually (being very sad - because I hadn't noticed) I took the trouble to check how many posts called the OP a PITA and found TWO!

mrtumblewhereareyou · 29/09/2010 17:30

One of those was mine and I called her a PIA as this is how she appeared to me. Not that she may be 1 if the OP goes in to talk to teacher.

geraldinetheluckygoat · 29/09/2010 17:48

yes but why say that? Wnen she's already having a hard time and others have already been quite harsh? How does that aim to be anything other than hurtful? Sometimes the "pile in and abuse the OP" mentality on MN is ridiculous. The woman's daughter was aged five or six and talked when she shouldn't be, Shock she wasn't decaptitatng kittens!! The scorn poured on her was not equal to the crime, imo!

camaleon · 29/09/2010 18:11

piscesmon: 'I can't see why it even needed a thread!'
Taking into account how many messages you wrote this is a strange statement.

mrtumblewhereareyou · 29/09/2010 18:23

Because it was my opinion at the time .. Yes OP is having a hard time but when you ask for advice then disagree when you have it its hard to be supportive.

I perhaps should have not said it but..

mrz · 29/09/2010 18:25

one poster's harsh is another poster's honest
You seem to be missing the point geraldinetheluckygoat poster's reactions have very little to do with a "crime" (although I wouldn't call it that myself but if you consider it to be so that is your right) committed by a young child but by the OP's indignation that her child should be made aware that it isn't acceptable to recite poetry while other children are trying to listen

Hulababy · 29/09/2010 18:40

I first went to school in the mid to late 70s. I know that back then int he second year of school you were expected to sit and do school work for most of the time. We did have a lay corner - I remember the little wooden house with a cooker and a little bed - but that as for when you finished.

My sister went to school in the mid tolate 80s. Again, quite a lot of sitting working was expected.

I work in a y1 class. there is very little sitting still required in comparison.

Today's example:

8:40am - doors open; activities out to do and choose from such as role play, water and sand, colouring, books, jigsaws, computer, car mt, bricks, etc.

8:50am - sit on carpet for register and dinner list; a few minutes sharing

9:00am - choosing time or "continuous provision"; within this time teacher and TA called children in groups to come and read - meaning 5-10 mins sitting down

10:00am - phonics sesson; sat on carpet working in pairs and at board, using own white boards, etc. Involved standing up activity and singing

10:15am - snack circle and story time; sitting down on carpet

10:30am - play time

10:45am - assembly

11:05am - carpet time for literacy

11:20am two groups at tabes to do wiritten work; thers doing continous provision

11:40am - groups swap over

12:00pm - lunch time

Afternoon involves more practical activities generally such as PE, dance, craft, cooking, science, etc.

Often in a morning we will also have additional outdoor time.

We sometimes do some numeract as well as literacy, if there is no assembly.

I don't think there is too much sitting down and listening time TBH.

Portofino · 29/09/2010 18:43

But the OP was rude and patronising!

"me thinks the lady dost protest too much" is a line from Hamlet, which was written by Shakespeare. Not sure you've heard of him. Lucky you are only teaching little kids eh?!

"maybe she can't understand the teacher's accent, maybe she's really anxious about getting it right? Hopefully her teacher isn't such a hardarse bitch as some of you."

"I took you all for cider drinkers"

Plus comments about the fact that her dd was reciting poetry on the carpet, and has posted similarly before - and in fact changed schools due to a similar problem.

Either OP is precious and doesn't want to listen to the very good advice given, or her dd has some extra needs that aren't currently being addressed.

There's supportive and there's denial....

geraldinetheluckygoat · 29/09/2010 18:48

So sorry that I seem to have missed the point, how annoying of me! Grin
But what I don't get is that the OP said:
"I swore I wouldn't reply again but I am really upset by the number of posts to my message that are aggressive or negative, or glib and sarcastic! I genuinely felt upset that my DD hadn't been able to go out to play as that's her favourite time at school and because she has been finding it difficult to settle I felt that this was particularly harsh on her.

Under no circumstances do I think she should be allowed to speak on the carpet or disobey the teacher in any way. However, i do think that children need to be considered for their particular merits/problems and especially at the start of the school year this taken into consideration when dealing with any bad behaviour. I feel uncomfortable with a one size fits all approach. I certainly won't seek any comfort from mumsnet again!"
which says to me that she did agree that it is unacceptable to recite poetry during group time. Her duaghter has struggled to settle into the new school year (yes, yes, maybe becasue she cant listen) and the op is probably feeling worried about that, and this incident worried her too. I just don't think she was being that ridiculous...
I just think this thread got to the point that whatever the OP had said, she would have been ridiculed for it.

mrz · 29/09/2010 18:54

geraldinetheluckygoat have you read all the posts or are you basing your judgement on what the OP says? for aggressive or negative, or glib and sarcastic read failed to agree with me

geraldinetheluckygoat · 29/09/2010 19:00

Yes Ive read all the posts!

piscesmoon · 29/09/2010 19:10

'piscesmon: 'I can't see why it even needed a thread!'
Taking into account how many messages you wrote this is a strange statement.'

I can never prevent myself from responding to people who need to be told the obvious!!

1.Explain to DD that it would be sensible to listen and get the whole playtime.
2.Have a quiet, friendly word with the teacher to find out how you can help.

Portofino · 29/09/2010 19:11

The dd is not in Reception any more. In fact the OP previously posted when she WAS. For the same issue. So basically her dd plays up at carpet time. Op has either not addressed the problem, or dd has special needs that warrant extra help.

OP talks of poetry and Shakespeare as if the dd is budding genius who should do what she likes and all rules therefore no longer apply. She does NOT grasp the fact that she should be exploring ways to help her dd fit in at school.

mrz · 29/09/2010 19:21

^geraldinetheluckygoat Wed 29-Sep-10 19:00:06

Yes Ive read all the posts!^

and?

geraldinetheluckygoat · 29/09/2010 19:22

and what?

mrz · 29/09/2010 19:26

and what is your opinion?

QuickLookBusy · 29/09/2010 20:55

Geraldine I really think you should just leave them all to it.

I agree with everything you have posted and I have tried to put the points across that you have. However this lot will pick on every word you post, and argue with you about it.

They will not admit to the fact that from page 1 they piled in, making assumptions without any grounds and they will not admit that they were being rude, sarcastic and bitchy cruel to the OP.

Portofino · 29/09/2010 21:07

Are you the OP QuickLook?

Portofino · 29/09/2010 21:09

The lady doth protest too much, methinks! Grin

mrtumblewhereareyou · 29/09/2010 21:13

quick are you sure you are not the OP?

Goblinchild · 29/09/2010 21:15

Making assumptions without any grounds?

I asked
What was she like last year in reception?
Is she an August birthday?
Is she your PFB and used to a lot of choice in her life and adult approval for all her adorable antics?

OP answered
Goblinchild she was similar in reception, is a july 31 birthday and is my PFB of 3.

So was that me assuming, or just being an experienced teacher?

QuickLookBusy · 29/09/2010 21:16

Absolutely not! I am just someone who was watching this thread last night totally shocked by what posters were saying. When it carried on this morning, I decided to say something.

Portofino · 29/09/2010 21:22

" really think you should just leave them all to it.

I agree with everything you have posted and I have tried to put the points across that you have. However this lot will pick on every word you post, and argue with you about it."

Who is "this lot" then? You mean MN, who you asked for advice?

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