Steiner Schools?

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Does anyone have any experience with Steiner Waldorf kindergartens? My son is hating his preschool and I think this might be a better option for him but I'm an Atheist and am worried that may prejudice us.

The thing about the covert racism in Steiner is that it just wouldn't occur to them that saying peach blossom is the colour of human skin, is a racist thing to say- they would probably have some anthro explanation that says of course he was speaking in different times etc- but alot of this stuff is all still out there.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. It does rather seem to me that in looking for an alternative anything, some people just jump on the first bus out of town, and they wind up wherever that bus takes them. It's tricky: once the new destination is ascertained, we can either move on elsewhere, go back where we came from, or, make the most of where we have arrived, determinedly ignoring any less savoury aspects.
"Steiner was clairvoyant, so if he said it, it must be true. After all, there was no prejudice about the man: he just revealed the natural order to us"
Yeah. Right.
Davy

Well, if the 'natural order' involves stating that the heart isn't a pump he was using his clairvoyant arse, rather than his clairvoyant brain!

LOL...
Once I had made it past the bandying words stage, I was (yet again) told "you have to try to see things from our point of view" I said "I'm trying, but I just can't get my head that far up my own jacksy", which of course flew like a lead balloon.
More seriously, it raises a point made earlier in the thread by rebelmum; that of "respecting Anthroposophy". Sounds eminently reasonable until we ask how far, to what extent? How reciprocal will this be?
davy

ease - I think you're so right when you say that once you're on the bandwagon you have choices- because I think many people do try to justify or bury their heads in the sand as they're riding along; either that- or they don't bother/ can't understand or sift through the info- this fits in with my experience of the people I met at the Steiner school and camphill any way.

Hey martian- I like the idea of a clairvoyant arse- what could it predict?

This thread won't come up on the search so I'm just bumping it to see if it comes....

Good idea. This might have gone quiet for a time, but so long as people can find it, it probably isn't dead.

Easeonline - I have never read anything that expresses more clearly my journey as a Steiner parent than your post about the bus out of town... You have absolutely clarified for me what the last six years of my life have been about.

Hi Janni,
If it helped, I'm glad.
It's by no means unusual for people to take time to admit to themselves just how far and for how long they allow themselves being led before realising how dependent they have become. Happily, some folk do leave a trail behind them a la Hansel and Gretel, and so find their way back to a safe place.
Davy

i am glad i found this - i have changed my name for this thread as i don't wish to be recognised by those steiner fascists - i am pulling my son out of his steiner kindergarten having read the rascist shit that mr steiner was so good at espousing - i didn't have a clue about the pseudo-religious crap that goes on either until xmas. we are a very secular family and we detest rascism in any form, the fact that their founder thought "negroes" were not as good or well-behaved as blonde blue eyed children says it all really. i am not having our family have anything to do with these nutcases. we are leaving before my poor son is brainwashed. no wonder they are so secretative about what goes on in there once the parents leave.

Hi Donotdoit - there's been another long thread about Steiner recently, started by Rantmum and there was a lot of discussion on there about racism, so you may want to post on there too.

Good luck with your next step!

janni - thanks. we are immigrants who all speak english like natives, although we are aryans (gosh, someone get the nazis out here, it is their favourite word isn't it ?) in my family none of us are blonde or blue eyed my son has dark brown hair and chocolate brown eyes, so that makes him a thicko in the eyes of the blonde steiners i guess

i had no idea that steiner or his mates wrote such racist trash until i saw this thread and the websites linked here. i hope lots of parents read this before taking the plunge into any form of steiner schooling. i have jewish and muslim immigrant friends whom i wll be warning too.

thanks everyone for helping me make up my mind to pull my son out of steiner schooling.

i have looked at your website easeonline. good for you for making a stand. i am so angry with these d*heads and their lies, i feel like printing this entire thread, the stuff from all the websites and hang around the front door of the school handing a copy over to each parent. i bet 90% don't know any of the stuff that goes on in the school, OR have their head so far up their own skirted jaxsy they just ignore it (all of mine wear hippie skirts over trousers and never seem to wash or comb their hair, what the heck is that all about then ?)

i was taken in by the image of little cute bunnies playing in the woods, eating healthy organic food and making houses out of sticks and all that crap, i am an atheist, didn't have a clue about the prayer stuff until i read this thread, now i am worried my child will get brainwashed into some cult

where we live they are so desparate for new children, they try to recruit like mad, they behave like the f* mormons, yet another bunch of nutcases that used to come round to our house trying to convert us. one day when i leave town (in the next few years) i WILL copy all this stuff off and hand it out at my local steiner school. we live in a small town where we keep bumping into people we know, so i don't want to cause any problems for ds or dh.

i am not a wimp though, i will take a stand when the time is right.

In my case I never comb my hair cos I have dreadlocks. And I wear skirts over trousers cos I have a large-ish arse and like to do what I can to disguise it.

fair enough - i like washing my hair every day and have a well proportioned arse so no need to hide it, i wear tight jeans, my favourite colour for clothes is black - oh shit i guess i should have checked out the dress-sense clash before enrolling my son at a steiner : O

Hi Janni and donotdoit- We just finished another MAMMOTH Steiner thread- there's a lot of it about.
It got quite unpleasant.
If you,ve read any of the other threads- you'll know I'm really angry about the duplicitous means they try to net people in, the racism , which they won't address, the lack of freedom and creativity- ( when that is precisely what they proport to be pedaling), and mainly- the fact that everthing - each choice about our kids , is made with the anthroposophical torch burning bright and strong. Things like left handedness, dyslexia, bullting are judged to be about reincarnation problems.
Congratulations for getting out early while your son is still young- we didn't click until a little way in- and then tried to work around it- not good.....

This is the recent Steiner thread-
Education : Steiner/Waldorf Schools - requesting info from those in the know

recent steiner thread here

dusty little gnomes be gone!

piss off walnut babies!

vamoose rainbow silks!

feck off expensive wooden blocks!

go to merry hell faceless woolly dolls!

steiner isn't nature, steiner uses nature as its backdrop to anthroposophy.

Barking - reading that reminds me how I felt when I left the Catholic Church over 20 years ago - very naughty and a little bit scared that the devil would get me !!!

Hi Janni the big problem with steiner schools is they pretend they are not religious. They actively hide it.

Donotdoit - Hope you and your family are ok - I found I was in a kind of shock for months, then I started to dig for information, and when I began to find the answers I was so angry and upset.
You are not alone!
x

thanks for your concern barking. ds is too young to realise what is going on although he has been coming home with some rubbish recently, quoting his teachers "prayers" etc., i don't think it is too late.

dh laughs it all off, says i am a loony for being so concerned (he is a very laid back character) but actually i feel violated. i feel exactly like the time i walked into my flat in london about 20 years ago, found the doors had been hacked with an axe and my possessions all over the place.

they lie to get you into their group. they take money off you, they make things look shiney and happy but underneath it all there are lots of dark waters. no wonder they don't use black crayons. may be the darkness reflects too much on to themselves. may be the felt faceless dolls are for some sort of voodoo

the more i read about steiner and his "philosophy" the more i think he should belong in some loony bin of history.

i am angry that the steiners are applying for mainstream status and that some local councils are in discussions with them. i do not wish to have my tax money spent on these schools. the local authorities are being conned like the rest of us.

Hi Barking- I really miss your wit when there's no thread going....

donotdoit- I really hope you're feeling ok about everything- you should congratulate yourself for getting out early and reallising what was going on. When the penny dropped with us- we hung on - I thought we could "work with it" UGGHHH!
This is a good blog- I think she's really funny- but thought provoking too
zooey.wordpress.com/

and this is a sensible good site www.chaseuk.info/ -if you haven't seen it.

As to the schools trying to get state funding- that really irks me - how on earth hve they managed to pull the wool over the eyes of not only the press- who continue to publish articles about the creative, liberal education they provide with no mention of the anthroposophy- ( and don't publish letters saying anything about it)- but there is a government repoet- The Woods Report- which looked into Steiner education in deatail- following herefords try to get state funding. This report mentions the philosophy behind Steiner education- even mentions anthroposophy- but all it says about it is some bollocks about "head,heart, hands"- no salient points atall.
Lets hope there are enough people ready to discuss the reall stuff that it comes into the open

northern only this morning i was reading the chase website. i am glad it exists. i can read german quite well. one of the bollocks that the english/usa anthro people have come up with is that steiner is quoted out of context, that it has been translated incorrectyly, that in fact he really wasn't a rascist who believed in the superiority of the blonde blue eyed people, bla...bla...bla...i am going to brush off my german skills which i haven't used in years and read some of his work in the original german. i have a feeling the original german reads exactly like the english.