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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:07

Jordan reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 13:11

I have finally managed to train DH out of using a hanky, and he's gone to work clutching small packs of tissues. I am still trying to keep plastics use low, but he wouldn't take a bigger cardboard box of tissues because he'd look silly.

He's 56!!

NutellaQuest · 02/03/2020 13:15

checking in. Brew

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:15

Posted on the wrong thread just Confused

I'm on lunch from my course - we chatted for a bit about CV and people seem to be taking it seriously.

Either that or they are just being nice to me when I said 'Honestly, I've been reading all the medical papers. This is not a drill...'

So no avoiding people this week for me, surrounded by them in Hitchin all week.

I have a feeling the 2pm numbers might be quite high given the change in tone this morning from PHE & No. 10.

mumoftwodc · 02/03/2020 13:15

Not sure if this has been posted. There's a Coronavirus case confirmed in Maidstone, Kent at Maidstone Studios according to Twitter.

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:16

My hand gel order is delayed 5-10 working days due to high demand Sad

Will have to dig through cupboards tonight to see if we have any hiding:..

Alone07 · 02/03/2020 13:17

I have got some extra toilet rolls, pasta,been buying extra tins (soup,veg,custard,hotdogs).
Can not get much frozen as we are a large family and have not got the space for an extra freezer.
Also been buying extra medication every so often so have plenty of that for everyone.
Just seen on BBC news that its business as usual from Boris after cobra meeting.........

OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/03/2020 13:18

I find it very difficult to hear of others not having hand gel when I have some in case they need it more than me. I feel bad in case I've deprived someone of having some.

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 13:19

Grab and go meals are a good idea. Thank you to those who have suggested that. My original stash for brexit contains a lot of stuff that requires proper cooking from scratch. Only adults here, all of them competent cooks, but I was laid low last week and really wasn't up to cooking, so DD and DH did it all. If we all got it at once we'll really need easy stuff, and not have to go searching either.
Afternoon off on my own here, so I'm having a sort out and creating an 'if we're ill here is the easy food' place.
I would probably not have thought of that all by myself Blush

BridgeToTerabithia · 02/03/2020 13:19

@wheresmymojo Stay away from one of the main streets - fire at a flat Grin

alloutoffucks · 02/03/2020 13:21

Yes that is why I bought extra cereal, and pasta with stir in sauces. Also some cereal bars.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 02/03/2020 13:25

I left a big Milton handgel at work last week. Hope it's still there when I get back to work as I like to use it after using keypads and so on.

IrritableBitchSyndrome · 02/03/2020 13:28

Just to add to the child friendly/easy prep food comments, star bargains has cheap fruesli bars at the moment.

electrichedgehog · 02/03/2020 13:29

Wow. Was out for a few hours this morning and has taken ages to catch up on all the posts. Plus having just driven my daughter to college I've come back to find out I've just taken her close to an area with 5 schools closed because of possible Covid-19 FFS.

Re people wondering about home education - In case it applies to anyone, If your child attends a special school which is paid for by the local authority then you'll need their consent to withdraw your child.

Re budget prepping - There's nothing magical about dettol. It's active ingredient is benzalkonium chloride 0.07%. Any disinfectant with that ingredient will also work, that includes own brand 30p disinfectant and zoflora. Just be careful how much you dilute it - think you need a minimum 0.05% concentration and the instructions on the bottle will normally give a weaker solution than that.

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles THANK YOU SO MUCH for the 'Fuck off Boris you knob' handwashing song! My autistic (and medically very vulnerable to CV) 20yo was utterly refusing to wash her hands and she is now showing some interest!

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:30

I don't know if this applies to anyone on here but my son has a trust fund that follows the stock market with HSBC. My husband works in the financial sector and advice is that we move to a trust fund that doesn't take risks.

Neome · 02/03/2020 13:30

When we stock up on eg hand gel we are sending a literal message to stock up - manufacture more to the shops and factories. They will prioritise that over other products which are not being bought as much

“Pure ethyl alcohol is used in laboratories and in industry for its sanitizing, cleaning and solvent properties. Many medicines, food products, flavorings and cosmetics could not be produced without it. It is used to process vaccines, compound tonics, syrups, tinctures, liniments and antiseptics as well as being vital in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals such as chloroform, atabrine and barbiturates. It is used in the production of adhesives, cosmetics, detergents, explosives, inks, hand cream, plastics and textiles. There are literally hundreds of products and uses for this chemical.” (grabbed from Washington State Industrial Alcohol info)

I’d be delighted to think I was contributing to more hand gel less explosives manufacture 😉

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:31

@BridgeToTerabithia

I am literally just around the corner from that and was just having a look trying to figure out what was on fire.

In offices above shops on the main road...

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:31

1501 infected, 66 dead from coronavirus in Iran: state TV t.co/zdwcnP5QP5 t.co/S0QmcjRsr5

Choux · 02/03/2020 13:32

@pancakefiend where was the tesco with plenty of hand gel?

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:32

In offices above shops on the main road..

That's me that's above the shops, not the fire!

ItsAHardKn0ckLife1 · 02/03/2020 13:38

Lots of hand gel in various Aldi branches in the North East!

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:41

For Iran to be having so many deaths in a day they must have 100's in a severe and critical state Sad

rhij86 · 02/03/2020 13:44

I've just read through this thread and just wanted to say thanks - picked up lots of tips and will be heading to the shop this evening I think! DH works in a doctors surgery so I fear it's only a matter of time before at the very least he ends up in self-isolation.

A question - and forgive me if it's been covered in other threads - does anyone know if there is any additional recommendations for pregnant women? I know obviously with the virus oubtbreak so recent, there aren't really enough cases to say this definitely causes xyz additional risk to pregnant women, but I know that it is considered much more dangerous for them to catch regular flu, and was wondering if this is the same? I'm 5 months pregnant and wondering how much more worried I should be.

Thanks again and sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:44

Parents and teachers 🏫

@educationgovuk have set up a helpline to answer any education-related questions about coronavirus (#COVID19).

More info 🔽

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 13:47

The hand gel shortage is interesting I couldn't find any over the weekend and I went to many many places none available, yet my mum is 50 miles away managed to get me exactly what I needed with one trip to her nearest supermarket.