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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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ofwarren · 02/03/2020 12:35

NEW: Netherlands reports 8 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 18 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 02/03/2020 12:36

Someone upthread mentioned that Hygge headbands may make good masks if masks become compulsory.

I found Morf snoods on Ebay - same fabric and only £3 each.

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 12:37

Just been to tescos and it looked much the same as any other Monday. Quite lot of shelf filling going on.

DigitalGhost · 02/03/2020 12:37

Does anyone know where there's is any hand gel online. Friend works with the public and is now panicking as our town is completely sold out.

Even though I mentioned it weeks ago. Confused

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MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 12:41

Action plan agreed and published tomorrow.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-action-plan-agreed-21614416.amp?twitterr_impression=true

AvocadoOwl · 02/03/2020 12:42

We have to wait until tomorrow?! ShockConfused

Puppycorn · 02/03/2020 12:45

Thank you for all the home ed suggestions now I’m getting a clear idea. Dh and I discussed it this morning and we have decided to keep the deregistering thing as a last resort as dd’s school is oversubscribed already. We will further discuss, act and decide if the numbers go up in our county.

@HasaDigaEebowai apologies.. I think it didn’t come out right. What I meant was I know all mums will be really concerned about all their children but we had already undergone a lot of heartache in those 8 years and have been through so many hard situations so if she catches it because of our complacency or a slight delay in decision (of when to keep her home), I can never forgive myself.

Legoandloldolls · 02/03/2020 12:45

I'm in my office at the moment and have heard no less than 5 groups discussing it this morning and every single conversation ends with 'but I'm not worried, I mean it's just the flu'. I'm starting to wonder if I have gone a bit mad thinking it's more serious then I see the data and am I'm glad I'm a bit more prepared than most

I have felt like that too over the weekend. But I'm rushing about trying to get hand gel so...... its them, not us that are a bit mad. When did the UK hold a Cobra meeting on the flu or disinfect and clean a GO surgery due to flu before.

Besides, if we are mad then we have saved buying certain things for a good few weeks

UnfortunateLookingIndividual · 02/03/2020 12:48

Think Boris just said to wash your hands Hmm

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 12:49

Avocado- I was thinking the same! Is it to avoid panic or isit to get things into place on the governments side. Slightly worrying, I wonder if they are already aware of today's cases?

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 12:50

Unfortunate- and sing happy birthday or the National Anthem Confused

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 12:50

I expect they do know about today's cases.
I think we are going to be in for a shock.

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 12:55

Ofwarren- I'm on my way to a big Tesco hopefully can get some things in.

I do think we are in for a shock I'm hoping for low numbers but we have to be realistic. Any idea what's in this plan? If there's a plan then it must be a lot more than wash your hands.
Are we going to see a morgue at Hyde park? So many questions we all have and hardly any answers!

Blueberryham · 02/03/2020 12:57

I just had an “itsjustflu” conversation with someone I wasn’t expecting to have that attitude and it does make you second guess yourself. It’s so bizarre

permanentlyfrazzled1 · 02/03/2020 12:57

Rhubarb the educational group to join for the Conquer Maths discount is a Facebook group called Pop Art Home Education. Nothing to do with art, but a group where the owner posts all the educational discounts she can find. 😁

bellinisurge · 02/03/2020 12:59

I imagine we have to wait until tomorrow because they want to "get the messaging right". Which is an alternative to speaking to us like adults.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:01

UPDATE: Spain reports 36 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 120 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

PancakeFiend · 02/03/2020 13:04

My local Tesco was fine, all shelves stocked. Lots of hand gel. Hopefully those of you struggling to find it will be able to get some as stocks are replenished.
I home educate my children too waves to other home educators. To reiterate what others have said, no need to give notice in England and Wales in state schools. I think special needs school have different rules, not sure about private schools. Scotland have different rules/timescales again as another poster said.
We’ve committed to a few events and activities over the next couple of weeks but like you @permanentlyfrazzled1 we’re going to retreat a bit after that, at least for the time being until we see how this pans out.
My mum has a big birthday coming up (60) and we made plans for big birthday meal and shopping trip next weekend. At the moment we’re still going to go ahead but I’ll certainly be keeping an eye on things this week to see how it all pans out.

WorriedMam2020 · 02/03/2020 13:05

@Effieray that map doesn’t look accurate to me - it doesn’t include the 3 Herts cases for a start

WishThisWasLangClegGin · 02/03/2020 13:06

Besides, if we are mad then we have saved buying certain things for a good few weeks

This. My laid back DH who is not overly worried could see the value in prepping as there was no harm done, and it's mostly stuff we use on a regular basis.

I have got the basics, medicines, bleach Pasta, Flour &yeast, Dried/long life milk, Oats,passatta, tinned fruit, dried fruit (Both freezers are always full of meat and veg, just added a couple kilos of cheese and 6 packs of butter)Black bags toilet rolls and I immediately felt more relaxed once.

DH thinks it's not enough to know we have enough for 3 to 4 weeks and wants to do a meal plan and calorie break downConfused For someone who wasn't bothered at all its a bit extreme!

We have 3 primary school kids with SEN, so thank you to the pp who mentioned to think about easy prep/grab and go stuff in case we are the ones who are ill.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 02/03/2020 13:06

@HasaDigaEebowai

That rubbing alcohol from amazon has a 1-2 month date for dispatch! Unfortunately that is the case for most similar things on amazon now.