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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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EnidBlyton · 02/03/2020 13:48

Iran has had 291 recovered and 66 deaths, for some perspective.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 02/03/2020 13:48

Prepping chat on 5live.

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:49

@rhij86

It's from a reasonably small sample but so far it doesn't appear to be anymore severe for pregnant women than the average person in their age category

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 13:49

Enid that's the official result from Iran but BBC reports that their deaths were over 210 the other day

Tryingnottobesociallyawkward · 02/03/2020 13:51

Oh joy one near me!

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/coronavirus-case-confirmed-in-kent-222998/

Ah well, time to keep calm and prep on, right?

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 13:51

This might seem like an odd prep... detangling Spray.
When I was in hospital (and unable to leave bed) for 6 weeks within a week my hair was like a bird's nest. My niece had to send me some of her strangling spray I never needed it before then.
Asda do a cheap one in their own brand kids stuff for about a £1.50.

Puppycorn · 02/03/2020 13:53

@OhYouBadBadKitten I feel the same too that’s why I’m not stockpiling anything more than few weeks though I can afford to. I don’t want to deprive anyone who might be more in need.

anotherBadAvatar · 02/03/2020 13:53

Just returned from large superstore size Asda.

It was heaving! I often pop in on a Monday morning after DS’s toddler group, but queues 4-5 people deep at the tills.

NO children’s calpol/ibuprofen
Rice run down, but still plenty available in microwave packets or 5kg+ size bags
Loo roll still available, but not many out
Lots of UHT milk skimmed/semi skimmed, but not much full fat
Loads of tins/pasta/jars/sauces, no where close to running out
Frozen aisles still fully stocked
Wine aisle full 🥳

Annoyingly, specific brand/size of nappies I wanted was out of stock, but don’t think that was CV related!

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 13:54

@itsnotjustflu

The quote was from Dr Catherine Calderwood, Chief Medical Officer for Scotland.

bellinisurge · 02/03/2020 13:54

Thanks for the heads up @IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying

Puppycorn · 02/03/2020 13:56

@Tinnednut I should really add that in my Hosp bag list. Also what happens if someone gets ill? Will they allow another family member to care for them in the Hosp? Sorry if it had been asked earlier but I find mental preparation to face come what may is equally important too

EliK · 02/03/2020 13:56

Didn't even realise we were on a new thread, talking to myself on thread 8 Grin
Wonder if the 2pm update will be on time.

WorryAboutCovid · 02/03/2020 13:57

I am on hold to the education line re the school trip I posted about. Thanks for the heads up.

BridgeToTerabithia · 02/03/2020 13:58

I imagine the update will be plan released tomorrow?

NatoPMT · 02/03/2020 13:58

@Tinnednut

Strangling spray - Fy autocorrect 😂😂

AuntImmortelle · 02/03/2020 13:59

I've been prepping for a few weeks now and read all the threads, just not commented.

Went to a large Sainsbury's (SE London) today to pick up a few fresh bits and apart from hand gel, it was stocked up like normal. Meds like paracetamol etc had been bought as there were spaces on the shelves - but still enough left. Was normal Monday busy.

Have a food delivery set for Wednesday - will be interesting if anything is missing.

Awaiting new Covid-19 numbers....

BrieAndChilli · 02/03/2020 13:59

how likely do we think an area wide lockdown will be in the UK?

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 14:00

@OhYouBadBadKitten unless you went panic buying clearing the shelf of hand gel then really it's not your fault there is a shortage.
By preparing early we have helped the supply system the signal to refill would have already been fulfilled before this weekend.

When we started prepping, the day Wuhan went into lock down, we have always tried to spread it out over time and multiple stores buying little at a time.

Nervous for new numbers.

Justmum89 · 02/03/2020 14:01

Does that mean 4 new cases if we are now at 40?

EliK · 02/03/2020 14:02

40 cases in the UK now

VivaLeBeaver · 02/03/2020 14:02

Been to tesco. Not busy. Everything available apart from hand gel and frozen avocado.

EliK · 02/03/2020 14:02

Amazed it was on time!

Scottish update:
A total of 816 Scottish tests have concluded (as of 2 March 2020).

Of these:

815tests were confirmed negative1test was positive

UK update:

As of 9am on 2 March, a total of 13,525 people have been tested in the UK, of which 13,485 were confirmed negative and 40 positive.

justchecking1 · 02/03/2020 14:03

4 new cases seems surprisingly low 🤷🏻‍♀️

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 14:03

@BrieAndChilli it's seems to me that it's becoming unlikely the government will lockdown areas, the horse has bolted we are seeing too many small pockets of infection pop up now. I would say it would be more likely if we suddenly see triple figures in one area.

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