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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Mazarinegreen · 02/03/2020 08:57

I have a client event to go to in the next couple of weeks - black tie charity ball with 100s of people attending type thing. Wondering if it'll either be cancelled or if I can somehow get out of it...not sure at what point all these sort of gatherings would be postponed though?

Puppycorn · 02/03/2020 08:58

@ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu I have the instant pot too and can’t live without it. I almost cook daily and the timer is very handy.
@poshme Yes instant pot has this yoghurt making button in its second version

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 08:59

Coronavirus updates:

  • South Korea: 123 new cases
  • Kuwait: 10 new cases
  • India: 2 new cases, including the first case in New Delhi
t.co/eUoE2b20hL
ofwarren · 02/03/2020 09:03

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/devon-school-closes-due-potential-3904065

3 Devon schools closed

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 09:07

What was Piers Morgan saying? I watched the shadow health minister on BBC saying he hoped Hancock would come back to parliament today after the Cobra meeting to discuss what they plan to do. Charlie newsreader asked how locking down cities might work and there was a brief but definite silence before the minister (Jonathan Ashworth) changed the subject, so assume nobody knows yet.

I just found some antibac wipes in my brexit stash that say they kill flu viruses too, so I looked on the back and alcohol is second on the list of ingredients.

Found dettol spray in the back of my cleaning cupboard so am using that to squirt on phone, keys,door handles banister rails and light switches.

MissusMaker · 02/03/2020 09:10

At this point how many cases would you expect to see in the UK today? 12 yesterday (plus Scotland's one, 13) - will be jump to 50ish today or do we have a couple more days of 10-15? It doesn't matter, I'm just wondering.

Destinysdaughter · 02/03/2020 09:19

Dr Hillary on Lorraine saying once you've had the virus you will be immune. I didn't think that was the case?

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 09:19

Lots of reports about some serious panic buying in Australia today and bare shelves.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 09:24

I don't think there is good evidence that immunity won't be acquired yet. I know there were reports that some people were testing positive after they had been declared recovered but I think the working assumption is that they had never got shot of the virus in the first place and had just had a false negative.

SkyesBackPack · 02/03/2020 09:24

Advice on covid-19 cases in Haslemere from a local councillor. Gives you the info on the self isolation and contact tracing measures.

www.haslemerefirst.com/joint-statement-on-coronavirus-cases-in-surrey-and-west-sussex/?fbclid=IwAR283J67WY9ZcnXNtVsSHVJrRcRiwo_K8dJ8Z-vqPEq4pajTb8ydu3yrgo4

HasaDigaEebowai · 02/03/2020 09:25

I think the high level of false negative results is more likely than re-infection. Lets hope so in terms of the long term impact of this.

Not that the high levels of false negatives is reassuring either of course.

MissusMaker · 02/03/2020 09:26

@ofwarren if you don't mind me asking what are your current thoughts re self-isolation? I know you have a child who is more vulnerable than mine (mine has low immunity but isn't immune suppressed).

Originally I thought maybe I could pull the kids out of school and DH could work from home for two weeks in order to 'miss' the virus but it looks like it's going to be around for a long time now and I'm not really sure what to think. AFAIK no cases in my county yet...

SkyesBackPack · 02/03/2020 09:27

I really feel like I should be out shopping today as my last day of prep. But I am resisting! I am getting petrol and my sons noddles late tonight so will see how bare the shelves are then.

In the meantime I need to blitz my frankly disgusting house! Let’s see how today pans out.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 09:28

Andorra reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 02/03/2020 09:30

@BiddyPop Nido powdered milk is very good and in stock on Amazon.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 09:31

Missus I've deregistered my son all together so we are now classed as home schoolers.
It's hard to advise someone else what to do because everyones threshold will be different.
I'm not sending my son back until the virus has totally subsided and going by what happened with swine flu, that could be at the end of the year.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 09:33

Well I think my mum and dad have finally understood. My mum just rang and said my dad has been telling her to wash her hands and that today they are both going to pay for their funerals 😱 a bit of an upsetting phone call but very sensible as she is 60 with diabetes and he is 65 with high blood pressure and a history of cardiac problems in his family.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 09:35

Rome reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 09:35

I think the supermarkets will have all stocked up again today. Empty shelves would have possibly been caused by the glitch as the usual pattern of shopping has changed a little over the weekend (I'm guessing, but it was payday weekend for many, plus certainly a fair few would have been out stocking up a bit due to all this. Am not willing to call it panic buying!)
The way the just in time supply system works, I imagine that things will have been reordered and so most things will get back to usual levels, until or unless areas being closed down hits the manufacturing areas/supply chain.
I think....

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 02/03/2020 09:36

Sorry - failed to refresh my page - I see powdered milk availability was covered many posts back Blush

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 09:38

I just briefly saw a New York Times article suggesting that it's about time general prepping became the new normal (as it used to be)

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 09:42

Destinysdaughter- I didn't think it was either I'm sure I read in an article that someone was re infected.

MissusMaker · 02/03/2020 09:47

Wow, big brave step @ofwarren is he your only? My little one has an older brother and I don't think keeping her off without keeping him off would be useful. I don't think I can justify keeping him off for an extended period at this point. It is tough!

sewingsinger · 02/03/2020 09:48

Hopefully the hand gel will come back into stock soon however if you run out, or it becomes in seriously short supply longer term then you can make your own.

Here's one but there are lots on-line, apologies if this has been posted before or has been dismissed in a previous thread.

www.thoughtco.com/make-your-own-homemade-hand-sanitizer-606145

Instead of rubbing alcohol (surgical spirit) you can use vodka evidently.
Disclaimer - I havent tried this but it seems logical that it would work!