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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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ofwarren · 02/03/2020 18:13

4 new U.S. cases of coronavirus:

  • First case in New Hampshire
  • 1 new case in Illinois
  • 1 new case in Oregon
  • 1 new case from cruise ship
t.co/eUoE2b20hL
bellinisurge · 02/03/2020 18:15

Idaho mash is lovely. But salty, I think, but lovely.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 18:21

Devon coronavirus case confirmed as Torbay school pupil
t.co/BVaYPHYEEH

LightofMine · 02/03/2020 18:25

You could make up a little packed lunch for little children and leave it in the fridge in a lunchbox. Rotate daily even when you are well. If you are not ill they can eat it that day, (use it to teach / encourage them to open the fridge and get it themselves) and then you make up another one straight away and put it in the fridge for the following day so there is always a lunch made up for them, it's a bit of normality for them as well if they are off school. At least there will always be at least one meal made up for them and all they have to do is open the fridge and take it out. Crackers and cheese, soft cheese and breadsticks, lunchable with ham and crackers etc and a frube, cereal bar plus banana or fruit pot for example in easy to open containers.

For older children maybe a microwave meal, as long as they know not to put anything metal in and they've practiced first. You could maybe leave instructions and timings out for them. Most 9 years old's should be able to manage that and even putting a tin of soup / ravioli in a pan and heating, it's safer than using a kettle, and remember some containers can slide as your pour water in from the kettle, so make sure children are fully trained up if they will need to use the kettle.

I wouldn't recommend children helping themselves to frozen berries as they could choke on these.

The children will be fine on snacks for a few days while any ill adults recover, as long as they are eating something and not going hungry they will be okay.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 18:26

Partial data shows at least 48 new cases of coronavirus and 2 new deaths in France since last night t.co/eUoE2b20hL

EliK · 02/03/2020 18:31

Lunchables and Snack Attacks for kids usually have decent dates. Might get a couple of them.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 18:32

Videos posted on WhatsApp of how to use the appliances is a REALLY good idea!

Thank you, I'm going to do that tomorrow.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 18:35

And then I can post the video of where I have hidden all the shit-hit-the-fan treats at the last moment so they don't all get eaten when I leave the room!

GorkyMcPorky · 02/03/2020 18:37

Martin Lewis posted a poll earlier - have you stockpiled a fortnight's worth of food. 3.5k say no.

The responses are so stupid and strident:

I think if I had to self-quarantine I would do a Tesco home delivery and tell them to leave it on my doorstep and why. Easy.

To stockpile is panic mongering. It makes me really cross then the very people who are at risk, the infirm, the elderly can't get any food and they die of starvation, but no sneezes!!!!!

If the worst happens, there are home deliveries so no need to panic buy

Martin Lewis it's just another bandwagon scam

🤦 It's like Brexit / 'project fear' all over again. Why are people so belligerent?

Destinysdaughter · 02/03/2020 18:41

I don't know if there is a recipes thread about this, but this is a good risotto recipe and you can use the base with either risotto rice or barley.

Fry chopped onions and garlic. Add chilli flakes and cherry tomatoes. Puree in blender then add rice or barley and whatever veg ( or cooked chicken, prawns ) you want. Easy to make, freeze and reheat and good carby comfort food.

JustMeAndMyTins · 02/03/2020 18:42

Is there any data that shows the number tested in each country? I’m really suspicious of our low numbers compared to Germany and France in particular.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 18:44

My regard for the general population has taken a massive hit these last few weeks. It's quite depressing to see how uniformed and naïve people can be. How many supermarket delivery vans do they think there are C's the sheer demand that will be placed on them over the coming months.

Why don't they take some responsibility for themselves now, while they can go into the shops and while shops can easily restock shelves? What's wrong with them?

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 18:46

Shared by a journalist on twitter:

The CDC has stopped disclosing the number of Americans tested for coronavirus.

On the left is how the website looked last night. On the right is what it looks like now, with the testing info removed.

The lack of testing is a scandal.

This is the coverup. t.co/za5w9dkEKq

Orangecake123 · 02/03/2020 18:58

Re the Martin Lewis comments some people just want to live in a bubble of denial.

I sent a message to a group of 15 I'm in on friday. Two agreed with me and one actually went out today to get started.

GorkyMcPorky · 02/03/2020 18:59

@FourTeaFallOut, it's the normalcy bias in action.

EliK · 02/03/2020 18:59

Started Pandemic on Netflix. Maybe not the best idea? Very interesting but scary.

Willow2017 · 02/03/2020 19:01

Why don't they take some responsibility for themselves now, while they can go into the shops and while shops can easily restock shelves? What's wrong with them?

There is a definite "It wont happen to me but if it does then someone else will sort it all for me." mentality around. Its very prevelant on here by the very people who are insulting those that are taking responsibility for themseves and thier families!
And they say we are the mental ones! Wink

Tentontessie · 02/03/2020 19:03

There are more cases than the 40 from today as we have received notice of one of our employees has been in close contact with a confirmed case. Just waiting to see if they also have it. It isn’t reported in the figures today and the infected person caught it on a trip to Rome.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 19:05

France confirms 61 new cases of coronavirus and 1 new death, raising total to 191 cases and 3 deaths t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 19:05

@DominicCummingsForehead I've heard a lot of HE parents rate this book for guidance. I haven't read it yet so can't personally recommend but it's suppose to be good for those wanting to follow the national curriculum.
www.amazon.co.uk/What-Every-Parent-Needs-Know-ebook/dp/B00JPUMH7K/ref=sr_1_4?crid=X5IXD5MVSKWX&keywords=what+every+parent+needs+to+know&sprefix=What+ever%2Caps%2C326&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1583175751&sr=8-4

bobbbbby · 02/03/2020 19:06

Hi, does anyone know more detail of how the lockdown in Italy was implemented? I think it was 10 or 11 towns initially. I live in a town in the UK and a town 10 miles away from us has two confirmed cases, and I'm wondering how far the Italians 'spread out' the lockdown from the confirmed cases... Thinking UK might take similar approach and trying to second guess if we would be within the lockdown catchment

dementedma · 02/03/2020 19:08

All supermarkets here are out of hand gel

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 19:10

Thank you @Tinnednut

I had to go to my local pharmacy earlier and the pharmacist was saying to a customer "we've sold out of hand gel, everyone wants hand gel. For gods sake more people die of flu every year"

🤦🏻‍♀️

EnidBlyton · 02/03/2020 19:13

I spose the supermarkets will aim to restock the handgel

Twitney · 02/03/2020 19:14

would people still travel 60+ miles away from their children to get to work at the moment? I am contemplating saying I need to work from home...

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