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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Giggorata · 02/03/2020 14:52

My local Lidl looks like a normal Monday today, well stocked and not very crowded. No hand sanitiser but plenty of anti-bac wipes and sprays.
I managed to complete my stash with more bog and kitchen roll, more cheapo tinned stuff, long life fruit juice, curry and pasta sauces and Lemsip, vitamins, etc.
Close friends of DS and DIL have had a letter stating someone at their children's school has the virus, whether they are symptomatic or not I don' t know, but loads of contact 😕

LittleSwede · 02/03/2020 15:04

Confirmed case in the town nearest to my village. Too close for comfort now. Might add even more items to my ocado order!

RocketQueen21 · 02/03/2020 15:10

Oh my goodness Shock so my child’s school just txt parents the ‘Department for Education Coronavirus helpline telephone number.’
I’m thinking right now that I’d like some advice on where I stand if I decide to remove my children from school for the time being due the the ongoing threat , that’s highly likely to get worse as us posters on this thread are well aware of.
The advisor I spoke with response was “I don’t really know, I’ve got no clue.”
Ok not their fault maybe but I asked what is the point of the phone line if you can’t give any appropriate or relevant advice ?
The response “ We are just directing people to the gov website guidelines or the NHS website guidelines”
Wtf?!

RocketQueen21 · 02/03/2020 15:12

And I might also add that I waited on hold for 12 poxy minutes for that remarkable piece of Tory advice 😉 well Cheers BJ 🙄

Whatthefoxgoingon · 02/03/2020 15:14

@HasaDigaEebowai ordered that one thanks!

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 15:15

My DC's headteacher wants to know why I am electing to home educate them. They're not immunocompromised and there are no confirmed cases in our area, so she will think I'm bat shit if I'm honest with her...

Tinnednut · 02/03/2020 15:15

I thought about watching Contagion tonight but at this point of just seems rather masochistic.
I'm feeling hopeful today after yesterday's 12, 4 feels like good news.

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 15:16

The school hasn't mentioned coronavirus to any parents at all. No advice nothing.

PancakeFiend · 02/03/2020 15:18

@Choux sent you a pm.

PancakeFiend · 02/03/2020 15:23

@DominicCummingsForehead you don’t have to give them a reason. I know you might want to if you want to keep on good terms with the school in case you’d like them to return but don’t feel that you have to give a reason. Could just say something like it’s best for the family at the moment.
@RocketQueen21 as long as the school aren’t over subscribed there isn’t any reason why you couldn’t take your children out and out then back in when you’re ready.
To deregister a child you need to send a letter (I’d send it recorded or via email) and quote the right legal terms. There are templates online.

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 15:28

DCF you don't have to tell them why if you're in England. I sent dereg letter when I took my children out (15 years ago mind)
I remember days of anxiety and jumping every time the phone rang, but they never contacted me.
There are umpteen reasons to He. We just thought it would be more fun than school.
Children have all turned out to be very well rounded individuals too Wink

YenniferOfVengeberg · 02/03/2020 15:29

Well Costco was busy, but not awful, more than a usual Monday, lots of people buying water, no hand sanitiser, no calpol.
Since I've been home I have a sore throat and can't get warm, I know it's unlikely to be COVID but worried about the kids. WRE to COVID on labour ward, from a doctor's forum I read there is preparation going on as it's likely they'll be at least one pregnant woman who gets it, centres around contact precautions (eye protection, mask, hood, gloves) and deep cleaning spaces like the operating theatres etc.

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 15:37

@RhubarbTea I would really appreciate a thread on resources for home Ed. My two are in years 2 and 6...had a look on twinkl but wasn't sure whether to sign up and pay etc. I'd like to follow the national curriculum as will most likely put them back in school when this is all over.

TipseyTorvey · 02/03/2020 15:38

Tinnednut I recently re-watched contagion and strangely found it restful to have someone else imagining what might happen instead of me 😁. It's quite a calm movie for a disaster movie really. Sad though.

preponderings · 02/03/2020 15:40

The school hasn't mentioned coronavirus to any parents at all.

(Not in England) DC brought a letter home today from the LEA with official advice. That all schools have spoken to children about it. What's happening r.e. schools, when they would close, which children don't belong in school and when they can go back. How and who to contact if you suspect COVID. What will happen if there's a suspected case and a confirmed case. A plea to reinforce good hygiene practices at home and links to videos of how to sneeze and wash your hands.

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 15:45

Thank you @Funkycats and @PancakeFiend .

DominicCummingsForehead · 02/03/2020 15:49

@preponderings wow. It's as if there's no such thing as coronavirus as far as our school is concerned. Everyone is just carrying on as normal.

preponderings · 02/03/2020 15:56

Dominic I don't know if it's because there's a confirmed case in our closest city (10mins away) where loads of children go for sports, music etc and where the supermarket is. Can't ask around either as I only know parents here or in the city.

RhubarbTea · 02/03/2020 15:57

@DominicCummingsForehead no problem, I have hastily created a thread now and will update a bit more later. It's here. Smile

preponderings · 02/03/2020 15:59

Oh and perhaps more obviously it's where the secondary schools and colleges are. Positive case is a pupil at one of the colleges.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 16:04

MORE: WHO's Tedros says we are in 'uncharted territory' and we have never seen before a respiratory pathogen capable of community transmission but it can be contained with the right measures t.co/iGnawHXygh

fuckitywhy · 02/03/2020 16:04

I work at a university, and I can't understand why they haven't told everyone to work at home as much as possible if their role permits it. We have so many people crammed into buildings with rubbish air conditioning systems that need updating anyway - to me it would make sense to try and slow down the inevitable spread.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 16:05

In the last 24 hours, there were almost nine times more #coronavirus cases reported outside China than inside, WHO's Tedros says t.co/RVIx411hdS

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 16:07

Tunisia reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

RocketQueen21 · 02/03/2020 16:12

Thank you @PancakeFiend