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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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AlohaMolly · 02/03/2020 16:19

What are people with young children doing? I’ve seen a few posters saying they’re getting food that is easy to prep for their DCin case both parents are ill, but what about those of you that have DC under 4/5? I’m not sure he’d be able to microwave stuff and the fridge is too high for him to reach milk for cereal etc.

I’ve always managed to drag myself out of bed to feed him so hopefully I’d be able to do the same.

Horrible thought - what if both me and DP were hospitalised? What happens to DS? My in-laws are 30 minutes away but I’m their 70s, what if they were unavailable/hospitalised/dead?

Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 16:21

I don't have anyone nearby either :( I'm just hoping between us we could muster up some weetabix or sarnies for the little ones at the very least.

alloutoffucks · 02/03/2020 16:22

What happens if a parent is in hospital and there is no one to help out is foster carers step in.
Yes if at home with young kids you have to drag yourself up to feed them. If you have teenagers like mine you just make sure there are things they could cook.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 16:26

18 cases of #Coronavirus in #Netherlands now in total.

Honeywort · 02/03/2020 16:36

With teenagers or older primary aged kids, it’s worth making sure they know how to use the dishwasher and washing machine. Sounds silly but if you are ill in bed with flu it’s really hard to explain the finer points of which programme to use - but both are important for maintaining hygiene at home. And it’s never too soon to learn

Twitney · 02/03/2020 16:38

Hi, I've been lurking. I'm getting there with my supplies. Been picking up medication for a few weeks now, and ordered even more of my prescription medication (for asthma!) which I'm hoping my GP will sign off given the situation.
Food wise I always keep around 2 weeks of supplies in reserve but have upped to 4 for this scenario. I'm reaching a point where I almost wish they would just close schools and let us bed in for a while to try and stop the spread. As it is I feel like we are just waiting for things to get really really bad before any real action is taken, but maybe that is unfair/ cynical.
Thanks for all the tips on here so far. My husband thinks I'm mad but this is already playing out in line with what I was (we all were) worried about so I'm feeling increasingly vindicated to be honest!

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 16:40

With teenagers or older primary aged kids, it’s worth making sure they know how to use the dishwasher and washing machine.

Yes, I went through all this with ds (12) yesterday. I think he'll be fine but I'm still this close > < to wrong a manual of the basics and laminating it 😁

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 16:41

Not wrong ...Writing - Freudian slip or autocorrect?

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 16:43

I don't know if anyone watched the live update from WHO on YouTube however I took some notes.

2% death rate, in some cases 10% death rate for people with underlying conditions.

Not scaremongering however being realistic and trying to find a balance.

Minimal measures for the maximum time to slow down the virus.

Panic and fear is the more dangerous than the virus itself.

We have to do the right things, we had a window of opportunity when the there was less than 100 cases the public health stated an emergency.
Didnt get the response expected and the window of opportunity is narrowing however the same message is being said and said again we need to act now.

How hard can we hit it?

Also someone asked a question about people dismissing the virus as "people die from flu all the time" WHO responded, "what are you doing about it ? What are people on the internet saying and doing about it, what message are you giving?"
So I take that as all is here are doing the right things remaining calm however being sensible and being prepared.

middleager · 02/03/2020 16:45

Aloha
An old MN favourite is to freeze sandwiches (cheese but a scraping of spread). Sounds Hmm but works - could your LO take them out freezer if you practised it?
This could just bridge the gap.

Evenstar · 02/03/2020 16:50

If anyone is short of antibacterial surface spray, I found litre bottles of a brand called Nilco in my local B & Q that were safe for food preparation areas like Dettol, they were £4. ASDA were selling off the Dettol spray refills for 87p instead of £2. Also ordered in some hand gel to our local Lloyd’s pharmacy, free click and collect and plenty available

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 16:52

Latvia and Senegal report first cases of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 16:52

@itsnotjustflu

I take it she is the official in charge and will be giving an agreed government position.

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 16:55

The WHO say they didn't get the response expected?

AlohaMolly · 02/03/2020 17:03

middleager could well do! I’m going to sit and have a think about what I’d be happy with him doing. I love the fancy rice pot idea, can’t do noodles because he’s gluten intolerant Confused but we’d have to practice lots with the kettle and I think it’s a bit dangerous for a three year old. Plus he’d have to drag a stool to get the kettle, get down, move the kettle, drag the stool to the sink, fill it, move a full kettle, drag the stool etc etc.

Defo can get in the freezer though! I might stock up on some more lolly moulds and blitz a load of homemade ice pops so at least he’ll have some nutrients!

TipseyTorvey · 02/03/2020 17:08

So my plan for my ds's if we're ill is kobuto pot noodles. The eldest (9)can boil the kettle and tip into the pot for both him and his brother . Thins bread and ham. Lots of breakfast bars and pots of rice pudding. Biscuits and crisps. If I can make them they'll have a vitamin pill each day til we can get up.

Good idea about the dishwasher and washing machine! Mine don't have a clue.

Lumene · 02/03/2020 17:08

Definitely would not be encouraging a 3 year old to use a kettle unsupervised!

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 17:15

Had forgotten some bits so shot into waitrose (plenty in there, no gel but wasn't getting it anyway)
Woman on checkout clearly unwell. Blew her nose then coughed into her hand before putting my stuff through. I should have said something but didn't.
Had a above-mentioned wipes in car so used those, then washed hands before and after putting it away.
No canesten thrush cream in boots but they had own brand.
Ironically I bought cough medicine in waitrose *rolls eyes.

alloutoffucks · 02/03/2020 17:15

No to a 3 year old using a kettle. Very dangerous and I am way more lax than most parents.
For a 3 year old cereal bars and cartons of orange juice is what I would be buying for worst case scenarios. Plus things in freezer that I just needed to get out to defrost for them.

Humina · 02/03/2020 17:17

I'd get some fruit / yoghurt squeezey pouches in for a 3 Yr old.

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 17:18

FelicityFebuary - Yes that's correct. That part was around the end of the video when they were answering questions from online.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 17:18

Saudi Arabia reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Puppycorn · 02/03/2020 17:18

For young kids (my dd is 5) I have put up a cardboard box filled with things she can help her selves to eat (crisps, raisins, Kellogg’s little cereal boxes, juice cartons etc)

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 17:20

#ITALY— Number of dead has risen to 52 from #Coronavirus

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 17:20

#ITALY— Number of dead has risen to 52 from #Coronavirus

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