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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:00

#FLORIDA- 2 cases of #coronavirus

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:02

Washington state health officials report second U.S. death from coronavirus t.co/SVvMEl36nR

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:02

Washington state reports another case of coronavirus from what is believed to be community transmission; the U.S. has reported 10 new cases so far today t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:04

#SouthKorea now has 4212 cases of #coronavirus. 476 cases reported for today and 1 new death. Total dead at 22. #COVID

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:06

NEW: China's National Health Commission reports 202 new cases of coronavirus and 42 new deaths t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:06

NEW: San Marino, one of the world's smallest countries and surrounded by Italy, reports 1st death from coronavirus and 7 new cases t.co/eUoE2b20hL

drippingwet · 02/03/2020 07:34

There’s someone over on AIBU whose child has spent yesterday with other children whose father has been diagnosed.

drippingwet · 02/03/2020 07:34
  • on the relationship board
Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 07:46

RE on a budget. Staples could be: cheap pasta packs. Or a 3kg from tesco (I have a few of these)
Value rice
Value beans
Tinned peas and carrots are cheap and good mixed with a curry sauce
Cheap flour and stuff to make bread
Value juice
Value lemonade
Kidney beans
Herbs and spices etc

StoopidDizzyBint · 02/03/2020 09:13

Outstanding newsShock

I have a son in West Yorks and a daughter in Gt Manchester! Panic is now in overdrive after the rise in casesSad

I have a load of tinned and dried items but feel that I need more

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 09:18

Re low income - will recommend again looking at Jack Monroe's recipes.
Look up the bootstrap cook online. Loads of really cheap and very edible meals.
The Tin Can Cook book she wrote recently shows a number of ways to use tinned food and ones which are likely to be in a food bank parcel.

Bioprepper · 02/03/2020 09:39

Nc. I live in Bradford and I was seriously worried sending the kids to school this morning. Went through the keep washing your hands, use your sanitiser, don’t touch your face or let anyone else. Etc etc. DH has a health condition which will make Coronavirus dangerous for him but I work in a school and the occasional day in a university so no getting away from mixing with others. Kids seem to be ok but are named as ‘super spreaders’ which is worrying.

The general feel in the shops seems ok, none have hand gel or wipes and several have no uht or dried milk left. Toilet roll is being bought in bulk, I noticed a lady with a Trolley full in Aldi yesterday.

We have tried to prep as much as possible. Medicines, dried goods, bleach, hand sanitiser, tins, drinks etc. We have masks just incase.

I’m starting to worry for DH now. May have to put him in the loft for a bit 😬

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 09:48

Case is in Illkley, with no link to Illkley Grammar.

Don't know if that helps. X

Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 09:51

Husband works from home but my teens will be the red markers I think. They are very lax about it all

itsnotjustflu · 02/03/2020 09:52

If this thread moves to a new one can someone pop a link please? there's a few about but I'd rather stick to this prepper thread. Also does anyone have a link to the meal idea threads please? looking forward with anticipation to the results of the Cobra meeting today

Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 09:52

Anyone else feeling relieved they already had extra loo roll, dettol, gel and food.

StoopidDizzyBint · 02/03/2020 09:56

yeah, I have stuff stored everywhere, its like living in a shopGrin

Bioprepper · 02/03/2020 09:58

@FelicityFebruary thanks but I’m not at ilkley grammar. I think I’d be a little more on edge if I was even though it’s not linked to the school Confused

My two girls are at secondary and a primary. Neither are in ilkley either but I’m still worrying lol.

Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 10:02

Same. We have no storage In this house so it's a bit manic but not as bad as quing for ages.

RhubarbTea · 02/03/2020 10:07

Just a heads up that there is a new thread if you want to come on over as this one is full, new thread is here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3837061-Prepping-For-A-Pandemic-9

AmelieTaylor · 02/03/2020 10:30

custard

I have bought some of the Devon cartons. The powder is good, but it’s not something I want to use milk (of whatever variety) on, when the Devon stuff is nice - hot or cold

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:13

I'm on lunch from my course - we chatted for a bit about CV and people seem to be taking it seriously.

Either that or they are just being nice to me when I said 'Honestly, I've been reading all the medical papers. This is not a drill...' Grin

So no avoiding people this week for me, surrounded by them in Hitchin all week.

I have a feeling the 2pm numbers might be quite high given the change in tone this morning from PHE & No. 10.

OP posts:
wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 13:14

Re: custard.

I love custard so have bought a few tins of custard and some of rice pudding.

OP posts:
EliK · 02/03/2020 13:31

Finished at 12 and popped into a few shops on the way home. Unsurprisingly no hand gel anywhere, wish I got extras last week when it was still available. I got some hot dogs, more rice and some sweets.

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