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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
nellodee · 01/03/2020 20:40

God I am sick of seeing news stories with BoJo in bright yellow work wear, or with his sleeves rolled up, in publicity shots at some hospital. Read the effing research. Sound like you know what's going on. Take some effing action to up our ability to deal with thousands of additional people in every region needing hospital care. We don't want you to look busy. We want you to GET busy. At something other than publicity.

NatoPMT · 01/03/2020 20:45

@MinesaPinotPlease I posted on fb last night that I was bitterly disappointed that Heinz stopped making sponge puddings in a tin

An old work colleague asked if I was prepping and I said I was, we had a conversation on pm with her saying itsonlytheflu but digging deeper, she told me she gets government milk vouchers and can’t afford to buy anything extra and is constantly hungry.

Her denial was obviously to cover the anxiety of accepting she can’t make herself / her 2 young children any safer

I’ve offered to order on my supermarket account to her address and she’s thinking about it

May be that people you know need help too 😔

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2020 20:46

What the hell is a milk voucher, is this the UK?

FelicityFebruary · 01/03/2020 20:47

To be fair : Beyond staying away from people if feeling hot or having a cough, regular hand washing is the most important behavioural change an individual can do.

(Oh and no social kissing and hand shaking.)

Sending a prepper wave to all.

ItsAHardKn0ckLife1 · 01/03/2020 20:47

DH works on an oil rig in North Sea, someone on another rig has returned from Italy and ignored advice to self isolate. He’s now quarantined on the rig after becoming unwell. His wife and children back home are also unwell. Some people can be so selfish 😑

pemberlyshades · 01/03/2020 20:47

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles now that's a catchy reminder!

FuckThisWind · 01/03/2020 20:48

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles brilliant! That's kept my humour up (albeit darkly)

FuckThisWind · 01/03/2020 20:50

Jesus @ItsAHardKn0ckLife1 that's worrying.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 20:53

Spain reports 8 new cases of coronavirus, or 26 new cases so far today, raising total to 84; at least 5 people are in critical condition t.co/eUoE2b20hL

SkyesBackPack · 01/03/2020 20:54

All is still pretty normal here despite the three local linked cases. I do wonder what this week will bring?

I need to top up my petrol tomorrow. I was going to go out shopping late tomorrow night but my son wants a new keyboard so I have to source one at a bigger supermarket during the day. It will be interesting to see how busy it will be. I think that because the local case has no source it might change here first?

But I still can’t see it. There are so many villages and country roads, there is no way they could block the town off. We did see the army doing a drill on a local MOD site today, but I still can’t see Boris wanting to lockdown.

Skyejuly · 01/03/2020 21:06

Where was the essex case?

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 21:07

Harlow I think I read

Skyejuly · 01/03/2020 21:08

Thank you.

NatoPMT · 01/03/2020 21:09

@FourTeaFallOut yes it’s uk, but reading it back she may have been using the phrase tongue in cheek to illustrate a point....

“I’m poor enough to get milk vouchers off the government”

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

BridgeToTerabithia · 01/03/2020 21:13

@skyesbackpack Where abouts are you? And how do you know they are linked? I am struggling to find info on our areas cases.

Sunshinesky1981 · 01/03/2020 21:17

No she is right. In the UK it's called Healthy start tokens which can be used for Milk / Veg for people on very low incomes and children under 4.

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2020 21:18

I've done a quick Google and apparently you can get healthy start vouchers if you are eligible for certain benefits which may as be milk vouchers - which is one hell of a way to infantilise people, I thought it was just a thing in America.

OneTimePrepper · 01/03/2020 21:20

@Fuckthiswind

That sign idea sounds like a perfectly reasonable request. Might be worth reminding management that its in their interest too. If enough checkout workers went off sick its they who would eventually have to get on the tills.

Sunshinesky1981 · 01/03/2020 21:21

If memory serves only certain shops accept them and its £3 per week

SkyesBackPack · 01/03/2020 21:24

I am in a village just outside Haslemere in Surrey. Three of todays new cases are linked to the Haslemere case. No one knows where the Haslemere caught it and it’s the first UK contracted case

WelliAmNot · 01/03/2020 21:25

Where are you getting that information from? @SkyesBackPack

wheresmymojo · 01/03/2020 21:28

@SkyesBackPack

We must live fairly close by...I'm in a village about 15 miles away just before you get to Alton (so depends which side you're on).

OP posts:
MrsPlesWearsAFez · 01/03/2020 21:29

It's very concerning that one of the cases today is also somebody with no known history of travel, and not a known contact of an identified case.

I think the next few days, under their 100 GP practices surveillance scheme are really going to show how widespread it is already within the community.

Have a child with asthma, who is just getting over another virus, and am struggling with the urge to keep them home from school tomorrow.

SkyesBackPack · 01/03/2020 21:30

Bbc news said three close contacts in West Sussex from Haslemere case, or did I dream it? I will Google it now. Where are you?

SkyesBackPack · 01/03/2020 21:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51697991

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