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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
ofwarren · 28/02/2020 22:36

I think some people are going to be in for a shock. It will hit them hard as they weren't expecting it.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 22:37

Israeli passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship who was presumed to have recovered and released from quarantine has tested positive after returning home - Ynet/JP

Tinnednut · 28/02/2020 22:39

@wheresmymojo I had a real sense of calm before storm tonight too, it's so odd to know it's coming but not knowing when or how bad.

I'm mostly sticking to this thread the misconception around preppers is infuriating, we won't be the ones emptying the shelves after all.

We've done all we can in regards to food, hygiene and PPE.
Now we are turning towards the house jobs need doing this weekend, DD birthday prep and Entertainment.

SleepWarrior · 28/02/2020 22:39

The Imperial coronavirus page had a piece about the psychological effects of being quarantined which was interesting. I'll link it if I can find it again.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 22:42

#USA- 2nd #coronavirus case of unknown origin confirmed in #California, indicating virus is spreading in the state

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 22:44

Honestly this thread is an oasis of calm compared to the new ones popping up everywhere. Some people are in a real panic and also spreading lots of incorrect information and conspiracy theories so I'm giving them a swerve now.

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nellodee · 28/02/2020 22:47

I feel fairly well prepped... I've bought a lot of the same things people are listing on here. My only issue is that I've done it a bit at a time and squirrelled it away around the house. I don't actually have a list of what Ive got. I might have a tonne of tinned tomatoes and no pasta to put it on, or a load of flour and no yeast. I have grave concerns about the balance of nutrients we might be getting after week 3.

Has anyone else just lost track of their supplies? I think that might be my job for this weekend.

SleepWarrior · 28/02/2020 22:48

Sorry, wasn't Imperial College, it was the Lancet - I've been jumping around reading from too many places.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30460-8/fulltext

Sterristripoff · 28/02/2020 22:50

I’ve found powdered coconut milk on Amazon. Has anyone ever used before? Thinking it would be good in curries etc.

bilboraggins · 28/02/2020 22:52

I feel as prepped as I can be for a temporary quarantine situation. I have a compromised immune system so feel this is only sensible.

I wonder if preppers vs non preppers will just never understand each other. I don't normally tell anyone my prepping ways but my conscience has been bothering me so I've gently been asking a few people if they have got anything extra in. Answers like 'I don't even have milk in for tomorrow never mind two weeks- it will be fine' leaves me cold. I hope they are right and I'm wrong.

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 22:53

The US have updated their travel advice to avoid Italy for all but essential travel. Not just Northern Italy - the whole country.

Wonder if we will follow suit...?

wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-italy

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Legoandloldolls · 28/02/2020 22:54

Rather than doing lists, you could take photos and then from there do lists at your leisure. I think that's my plan. Right now I'm going through my two tiny cupboards in the kitchen and moving the older things to the front. Hopefully all being well I will just be doing small fresh and top up shops next week once the panic has settled

FecktheBoss · 28/02/2020 22:55

Pmk

Legoandloldolls · 28/02/2020 22:57

There is lots of "it's just a cold" on the local FB boards so maybe there wont be any panic buying?

We always have food in for a month and still shop weekly. With 4 kids I couldn't live wondering what they was going to eat and buying g meals every day. We eat for about £1.50 a head fresh food if I plan as well.

pemberlyshades · 28/02/2020 22:58

I'm here!

Snowdropdelight · 28/02/2020 23:03

I also stocked up on dc vitamin tablets and tomorow will get full tanks of petrol.

We usually funnel money off each month to savings, Xmas and so on but will just pay essentials and hold fire for the month.

I remember dm in petrol blockade. She was war baby and filled up as soon as it started
We were one of the only ones locally with petrol!! She was v smug about it.

MakeLemonade · 28/02/2020 23:06

Checking in! Only thing I still need to get is some treat stuff, have no chocolate or crisps which may make for a very dull isolation.

Wetcappuccino · 28/02/2020 23:12

Hi all. Very helpful thread. Going to ask a question (may be a daft one) - is everyone avoiding eating out eg. takeaways, Costa etc? Normally always go out for lunch/ coffee and cakes at the weekend but wondering if this is a good idea at the moment? Thanks.

CocoaLipbalm · 28/02/2020 23:12

Spending the weekend packing up, ready for house move next week. Hopefully, it’ll take my mind off the anxiety and the fact that DH, as a police officer, is unable to avoid human contact 🤨.

He’s going to take a change of clothes to work and bag up uniform, ready to load straight into the machine on his return, as a sensible precaution.

Have supplied him with antibac wipes, gel, gloves and hand cream and am thankful he’s a fastidious hand washer anyway. We’ve got a good supply of repeat medication, plus OTC remedies.

I agree it feels as if we’re watching the storm approach now, with no idea of what’s truly to come.

But I’m very grateful to you all here for the measured posts and helpful approach to preparing for this. Thank you Flowers

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 23:13

A vaguely interesting thread on Reddit about people who've been in lockdown and what they wished they had.

Answers mainly:

  • Masks and handgel
  • Loo roll
  • Chocolate (apparently getting hard to get now)
  • Garlic (to avoid food boredom)
  • Fresh veg getting harder to get delivered now (so maybe get frozen)
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nellodee · 28/02/2020 23:15

I don't think taking photos would work - my tins are quite piled up in a narrow cupboard. My husband keeps complaining I've packed everything in so much he can't find the basics.

MyHairIsSoapy · 28/02/2020 23:16

My Facebook is getting posts of people saying they won’t have the vaccine as it’s not as dangerous as the flu, it’s only a mild cold and it’s all a fuss about nothing.

My phone soap UV thing arrived.

Still thinking the UK government is still not doing the right thing with quarantining people properly.

Pegase · 28/02/2020 23:16

@Sterristripoff yes powdered coconut milk works and tastes fine. Prefer tinned personally (Aldi is cheap)

Legoandloldolls · 28/02/2020 23:17

Where are those in lockdown mojo for the list? Theres no wi e on the things they miss!

Legoandloldolls · 28/02/2020 23:21

nellodee mine is mostly in bags in the study. Good in one way because I would need to fall into it to get to the chocolate!

Can I make a igloo from.my tins now? I could hide the biscuits in there away from.the kids?

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