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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
ofwarren · 01/03/2020 23:14

Coronavirus updates:

  • Egypt reports 2nd case of coronavirus
  • Ecuador reports 5 new cases of coronavirus, just 1 day after reporting the first case t.co/eUoE2b20hL
SkyesBackPack · 01/03/2020 23:16

Jezzzz..... the Aldi hang gel 47p for 50ml is going for £9 a bottle on eBay! I would rather wipe my hands with a bleach toilet wipe thank pay that!

Good job I prepped that over the last two weeks. People are buying it for that price too which freaks me right out. What’s next?

OnNaturesCourse · 01/03/2020 23:18

Question.

How do you prep when you live weekly in terms of money. We have little extra to buy more than essentials for the week...

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 23:19

California
Two health care workers, one from Solano County and another one from Alameda County, are "presumptive positive" for coronavirus. t.co/zhyBgVHD6F

FelicityFebruary · 01/03/2020 23:19

MasterofCaffeine all I can say is I have had an odd thing happen with mash potato texture when I have defrosted and added milk and butter afterwards. I only did it once though. It was better when I just froze with milk and butter and defrosted so that's how I have continued to do it. Not a definitive answer!

BeepOpsiePie · 01/03/2020 23:20

@Flyingsouthwiththeswallows I would like that, my repertoire of storecupboard meals is limited although I'm trying to brainstorm it and just listed quite a few down in a spreadsheet to shop for this week. I live in Switzerland so I've got fondue and raclette on my list Grin

RhubarbTea · 01/03/2020 23:21

All you can do is add the odd extra item to your shop, look for offers, spend clubcard points etc on prep food. If you have anything lying around you can eBay to raise funds maybe that? Hopefully that doesn't sound too bleak. There is a thread in this topic about how the hell to prep on a low income, I have posted on it.

LynetteScavo · 01/03/2020 23:22

You can prep on a low income by buying one extra tin (or whatever) a week. After a year you'll have 52 cans/packets which should stop you from starving for a couple of weeks.

RhubarbTea · 01/03/2020 23:22

@wheresmymojo - almost due a new thread!

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 23:23

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/01/downing-street-department-health-locked-row-access-eu-pandemic/
Downing Street and Department of Health locked in row over access to EU pandemic warning system

Matt Hancock wanted to retain membership of the EWRS as part of the EU-UK future relationship deal, however No 10 said no

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 23:24

NEW: Canada reports 4 new cases of coronavirus in Ontario, where officials say they're preparing for the potential of local spread t.co/eUoE2b20hL

AlohaMolly · 01/03/2020 23:24

In terms of potato, I make mashed potato as I would eat it and then freeze so it’s completely ready to go. Sometimes I’ll add more milk/butter after defrosting.

OnNaturesCourse I’m paid weekly and the only way I could get to where I am now (around 3/4 weeks worth of food, maybe more if rationed) was to do a big shop on my credit card 3/4 weeks ago. I think it would have come up about £90 and that was toilet roll, kitchen roll, tins, treats and calpol. I’ve been batch cooking and religiously freezing leftovers since September as I was worried about a no deal brexit, but I also slashed my weekly grocery budget to £20-25 for the three of us and then topped up to £30 with ‘Christmas or prep’ stuff.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 23:25

Alameda County in #California is declaring a state of emergency to respond to the #coronavirus outbreak.

via @skarlamangla

#Coronavid19 #COVID19

AlohaMolly · 01/03/2020 23:30

Just to add an example, I’ll buy a medium chicken from Lidl, roast it for Sunday dinner and give DP a breast. DS is 3 and not a massive meat eater so he has a thumb sized portion and I’m calorie counting so have about 50g. I strip it after and portion it up, two ‘portions’ to be frozen and then two legs for lunches for me or I’ll keep one and add the other to the stripped chicken. That way for every roast chicken dinner we eat, I get two portions of chicken for the freezer. Same with pork that we had tonight - nothing for lunches but two 3 person meal portions for the freezer.

FelicityFebruary · 01/03/2020 23:34

Beep, I think anyone with little kids would isolate as a family. The upside of this is that looking at the stats kids are not doing badly at all.

I have older kids and I think we would probably have a good chance of all getting it together too. My issue is they are out and about and will more likely bring it home to me.

OnNaturesCourse · 01/03/2020 23:35

Thank you all.

I wish I could batch cook lots but no freezer space unfortunately.

I've already started the calpol plus toiletries etc.

Puppycorn · 01/03/2020 23:35

@Tinnednut Yes to Herbs and spices - I’m from Chennai (formerly Madras -living in the U.K.for the past 14-15 years) so I have enough stock of ingredients to make curries, naans, rice and all hot and spicy stuff. We also love Mediterranean diet so we have stocked up on some pasta(not 5 kgs though but may be 2 to 2.5 kgs max) Financially I can stretch to purchase enough to last for 4 to 6 months if need be but I don’t want to overdo it and stockpile unnecessarily as that would deplete the local supplies for others who might need it the most. Barley is actually a good idea. I also have few types of millets lying around along with some sundried native vegetables. Another thing I have bought is cranberry juice (vit c, long shelf life)

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/03/2020 23:38

If you’re in the situation now, I would say focus on what you can do now. Assuming you are already shopping frugally focus on the things that will stretch and cheaper alternatives for what you are buying. At this point a bag of rice or box of pasta will help stretch almost any meal.

I’m in the US, and there’s a famous ‘poor food’ of beans (dried) and rice. Not exciting, but enough nutrition to keep a person going and dead cheap. This is almost a joke now, because it’s the answer to all budget problems...but it’s a joke that’s based on people actually eating it when broke.

Puppycorn · 01/03/2020 23:41

@BeepOpsiePie I have a 5 year old too. We talked about it and it’s like once someone gets it we all will take the risk (though proper hygiene will be practised) as it’s not possible for anyone to stay isolated like that with a little one.

echobench · 01/03/2020 23:57

I think high calorie foods are the best to stockpile. Nuts v nutritious and calorific!

If one of the family gets it, likelihood is everyone will get it IMO.

If DC taken in to hospital, they would probably not be allowed visitors. There isn’t enough protective clothing to go round the staff let alone visitors. So go-bags probably not needed for DC (but they are unlikely to have it severely anyway).

ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 02/03/2020 00:01

I've started thread 9, wheresmymojo mentioned being busy this week and asked other posters to help out so I thought I'd one as sad this is almost full. Hope you don't mind mojo, it feels wrong somehow lol.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3837061-Prepping-For-A-Pandemic-9

NatoPMT · 02/03/2020 00:05

@Puppycorn your reception age child, they only legally have to be in school from the term after their 5th birthday, so if that birthday was recent, you can take them out without consequence, I think....

BlackeyedSusan · 02/03/2020 00:42

there are already several store cupboard meals threads.

Legoandloldolls · 02/03/2020 00:51

Onnaturescourse if you eat meat and pasta then Aldi Tesco stir through sauses are under 70p a pot and nice. Buy a few of them and whatever cheapest pasta brand you can. Dried spaghetti is 20p a pack.two packs of pork and beef mince in Aldi for just over £5.60 ( buy cheap freezer bags, split each pack into 3 and freeze. Onions, pasetta and tinned tomatoes to fry with mince can bulk that out to less than £1 a family meals sauce. Cooking bacon for £1 a pack in Sainsburys has a strong flavour for a cheesy pasta. So for around £10 you could russle up those long shelf life pasta dishes for over a weeks meals. Only the mince needs freezing but you can squash it in wherever in sandwich bags. Celery can bulk out pasta sauses. It lasts well in the fridge and tastes lovely chopped very small and fried. Plus a bag of cheap rice and some mixed beans for a chilli. I think £10 could go a long way if its pasta / rice based meals

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 04:00

#USA- #CORONAVIRUS PATIENT ‘MISTAKENLY’ RELEASED FROM ISOLATION IN #SanAntonio, #TEXAS WAS POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS.

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