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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
MoonlightMistletoe · 29/02/2020 00:28

Thankyou for clearing that up regarding Hyde park. It's the first I've heard of it so I admit I panicked a little there!

wheresmymojo · 29/02/2020 00:28

Yep - the UK pandemic preparedness strategy was actually written (probably updates on a previous version) in 2011!

You can google it and read it all as it's on a gov.uk page.

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echobench · 29/02/2020 00:32

Telegraph headline saying 10% will end up in hospital... where?! There are nowhere near enough beds or staff.

Hardest thing for us will be persuading teen DC to tone down their intense social commitments...

PatriciaBateman · 29/02/2020 00:32

@ofwarren Relieved to hear! I couldn't believe what I was reading.

echobench · 29/02/2020 00:35

A lot of their planning (not morgues!) was stepped up to prepare for a possible no-deal Brexit.

NutellaQuest · 29/02/2020 00:42

Checking in so I can find you tomorrow.

I have done as much in the way of ling-life food shopping as poss. Will be working my way through washing etc next.

wheresmymojo · 29/02/2020 00:43

Looking at the pandemic preparedness doc there is an obvious issue when it comes to this virus.

The Health & Social Care plan assumes that in the event of a flu pandemic:

"Health services should continue to prepare to provide advice and treatment for up to 30% of all symptomatic people in the usual pathways of primary care. Between 1-4% of symptomatic patients could require hospital care, depending on the severity of illness caused by the virus. Of these, up to 25% may require critical care"

Between 1-4% of symptomatic patients could require hospital care

Where in the case of COVID this is more like 15-20%.

OP posts:
wheresmymojo · 29/02/2020 00:44

Telegraph headline saying 10% will end up in hospital... where?!

That's actually a bit of an underestimate, the numbers are more like 15-20%

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SeaToSki · 29/02/2020 00:55

@GorkyMcPorky the fastest way I have found to defrost a freezer is to use a hair dryer (obviously unplug the freezer from the wall first). Just be really careful about having a dry place to put the hair dryer down in between bout of using it to melt the ice and scrapping it out (wooden spatula works great for that). You dont want a wet hairdryer or you might fry yourself! Also find a tray or plastic box to put under the lip of the freezer to catch the melt water, and lots of towels

HighlandYak · 29/02/2020 01:25

Did a lot of batch cooking and got the last of the food I wanted for the freezer/fridge/cupboard today so feeling good, no hand sanitizer though available at the supermarket.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 29/02/2020 01:53

Thanks for the new thread @wheresmymojo.

We're pretty well set up here now, which is just as well as I feel really unwell tonight. Hopefully a good night's sleep and a lie in will see me right.

Skierrdery · 29/02/2020 02:42

Sorry to placemark, but the bookmark function doesn't work/I don't know how to use it right.

eeeyoresmiles · 29/02/2020 03:02

You can 'watch' the thread, to bookmark it (rather than bookmarking individual posts). Then go to www.mumsnet.com/Talk/threads-im-watching to find the threads you're watching.

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MinesaPinotPlease · 29/02/2020 06:31

For those wanting to preserve vegetables -
I have been working my way through a pile of red peppers, leeks and onions this week. Chopping them up and freezing them in small freezer bags which can be pushed in between other food.

I know the nutritional value may be less than fresh but I think it will make the food taste better :)

I also bought some baby carrots and froze those to add to sauces/stews. Plus a couple of packs of chopped wok veg.

Am going to also dice up a bag of sweet potatoes I have to freeze. Not sure how that will work out but they can used for soups or to bulk out curry.

I also emptied out several 1/2 full boxes of peas and put them all Into one in a freezer bag. Takes up way less room.

You can also freeze butter - unsalted for 6 months and salted for 12 months. So I have three of those in the freezer too.

I have never made bread but bought a couple of bags of all in one bread flour mix.
Am figuring it may help to pass time if we are stuck at home for 2 weeks!

Funkycats · 29/02/2020 06:51

Morning all. I'm having a sort out of my freezer today. I'm batch cooking soups and stews, then will freeze in bags (I hate the use of plastics and wouldn't normally and I do i reuse them) I discovered the library freezing method on the brexit threads, and it really does mean you can fit more in (it's freezing soup etc in flats packs then stacking like books for anyone who doesn't know)
I'm aware how much I pick up and put down my phone and am a) trying to reduce my use of it outside home and b) wondering about wearing gloves when I use it. Or give it a good clean and just wash hands more.
I've never been an obsessive cleaner, generally believing that a bit of dirt is good for you, but desperate times and all that.
Also am in and out of car all day in the week (job) May start wearing gloves for driving.
One could go insane thinking of germs once one gets going!!

preponderings · 29/02/2020 07:03

The only freezer veg left in our supermarket yesterday way frozen spinach, 3 varieties and mixed veg which is pre-spiced. As it was the only thing left, I'm going to hazard a guess it's revolting!

Totally out of masks everywhere, including all the online shops. Not even the lower rate masks I need for woodwork. DH has promised MIL half our mask supply. FIL has told her she needs to start driving places instead of getting the bus and train all the time! DC's sport tournament has been cancelled as too many parents have pulled their children out.

MinesaPinotPlease · 29/02/2020 07:11

Just done some research and you can also freeze fresh ginger and garlic,

Ginger - peel and slice.

Garlic - can be frozen as cloves unpeeled. So no prep needed. Def going to chuck some in the freezer. We cook with it almost everyday and it won’t take up any room In the freezer.

CatAndFiddle · 29/02/2020 07:14

Hi. Been lurking about for a bit. Just thought I'd let you know about www.safe4disinfectant.com/
We have used this disinfectant for many years in my house, as my husband used to work at a cattery and they use it to prevent the spread of FIV when they have an outbreak. It is well used in farms and zoos etc. where animals are in close quarters. It is effective against Corona at a solution of 1:50. We have a tub of the apple concentrate about once every 18 months and it costs about £40, I think.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/02/2020 07:21

I think if you have a garden and can plant veg seeds that would be a very useful thing to do. Look at harvest dates of stuff so you can try and get a range of stuff which is ready at different times. Remember if things get really bad you could take the seeds out of stuff before consuming and have more seeds for the following year.

Consider some stuff which hopefully stores well for into the winter. Pumpkins, squash, potatoes?

preponderings · 29/02/2020 07:23

Ginger - peel and slice.
After watching a cooking show where they grated it without peeling, I stopped bothering. Now I keep the whole thing in the freezer, take it out and grate it when needed, then put it back.

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 29/02/2020 07:25

We have snow here now for the start of the storm (ireland). I hope my Tesco delivery person can get to me today, all of my dry food should be coming

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 07:40

Oregon’s first coronavirus case has emerged. The infected person worked at an elementary school in the Portland area, which will be temporarily closed, authorities say. t.co/ykIakdx1LQ

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 07:41

Press release from Washington state on 2 new cases of coronavirus. One of them was locally acquired, the other one is linked to South Korea. t.co/TivKem8BcF

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 07:42

When countries release coronavirus updates:

  • Italy: 12 p.m. ET
  • China: 7 p.m. ET
  • South Korea: 8 p.m. ET
  • Mexico: 10 p.m. ET
  • South Korea: 3 a.m. ET
  • Iran: Around 3-6 a.m. ET
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