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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Funkycats · 27/02/2020 09:26

@ofwarren, I like the updates, but if they are spiking some poster's adrenaline levels, could they be in a separate thread?
My apologies if they are elsewhere already. I haven't seen them.
And thank you for doing them Flowers

fearnotsnot · 27/02/2020 09:29

A vote here for continuing updates on this thread @ofwarren . I'm following the other one too but I get confused which one I'm on sometimes!
I think the updates are important surely?

IceWings · 27/02/2020 09:33

if they are spiking some poster's adrenaline levels, could they be in a separate thread?
Or posters could just hide this thread?

Zorona · 27/02/2020 09:33

I agree the updates help me. I like this thread and nice to only need to check one thread

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 09:34

I think it's important to carry on posting. How can we prep if we don't know where the virus is?

shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 27/02/2020 09:42

@funky I think we kind of covered this yesterday. Most of us feel the updates really are useful. I know I actually felt a little blind yesterday when @ofwarren stopped posting for a while. I tried looking further afield on the internet yesterday but honestly I ended up in a terrible conspiracy corner of the web talking about the fall of the world! I'm not doing that again Confused

So thanks to all for keeping this group well balanced and a mix of concern/prep.

Of interest, I don't know if anyone else follows medcram on YouTube but I find his updates really informative yet balanced. Some interesting news about vaccine trials starting in April in humans in the US. It seems they are trying something a little different which, if it works, will mean it is easier to mass produce quickly and may be available quicker. That has to be good news.

NewYearNewTwatName · 27/02/2020 09:44

The updates should continue.

OfWarren has already taken out the the #Breaking (which she didn't put in, was only from the copy and paste articles)

If its spiking Anxiety it's time to take a break. There are other general prep threads for poster who just need to know what to stock, without having to see updates.

shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 27/02/2020 09:45
link here for those interested. It is quite 'medical' but if you watch back on his other videos it becomes quite easy to follow. It doesn't spike any anxiety in me when I watch them and he is a fascinating teacher in the way he explains things. Well worth a watch if you are like me and like to understand what's happening without fear mongering or causing panic.
Fairylights2021 · 27/02/2020 09:46

Agree Warren we need to know where it is in order to prep. One of the new cases isn’t too far from me so definitely feels like it’s getting closer and I need to sort a final few bits. Off to get some paint for some diy projects that need doing so at least we can get on with those if we start going out less. Did someone mention there was an emotional prepping thread? If so does anyone have the link as I searched but couldn’t find it.

AspergersMum · 27/02/2020 09:47

I'm worried about the Japanese woman who had it, got better, and has it again. That sounds so merciless!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/02/2020 09:48

I'm quite happy to go with the majority view re updates.

Can I also say to my fellow organised friends here, I have just advised another thread (mocking preppersHmm) our thread here is (ironically!) a lot calmer and less panicked than other MN threads!

I know I am more anxious this morning, I am sure we all are but I would love it if this thread helped to keep us all grounded and reassured we have done lots of preparation and the best we can so far.

Deep breaths and pancakes in this house for sure. We have melted Nutella and drizzled it over pancakes, I can recommend.

Zorona · 27/02/2020 09:58

I can only find little mini bottles of hand sanitizer in the shops. I see that amazon sell rubbing alcohol. Would that do does anyone know?

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:00

It will.Corona but it's harsh on your skin.

Zorona · 27/02/2020 10:01

Thanks

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:01

Corona? I mean zorona! Shows what word I wrote most on my phone!

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:07

1st case of #Coronavirus confirmed in #Poland. Woman came from Thailand

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:08

MORE: New case in Valencia, Spain was confirmed in a soccer fan who traveled to Milan for a champions league game on February 19; about 2,500 fans from Valencia traveled to northern Italy that day - El Pais

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 10:09

I'm actually feeling pretty relaxed now...like I've been expecting the spread across Europe for some time so it's here, I'm prepped, all is well.

Nothing more that I can do to prepare. If we're sick we have everything we need here. If we need to stay in the house for 14 days I have everything I need.

In fact I'm avoiding some of the other threads where people are just waking up to this and panicking TBH.

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HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 10:11

Deep breaths and pancakes in this house for sure. We have melted Nutella and drizzled it over pancakes, I can recommend.

I can recommend the melted lotus spread similarly drizzled (or the lidl fake at a half the price).

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 10:11

@Fairylights2021

Emotional prepping thread

Emotional, spiritual and compassionate preparation www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3827942-Emotional-spiritual-and-compassionate-preparation

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MasterOfCaffeine · 27/02/2020 10:11

For any preppers in ireland- Tesco have tins of chickpeas for 29c 👍

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 10:12

I have rubbing alcohol zorona You could always put it in some lower alcohol content gel (although I think that's becoming hard to find too). People yesterday were recommending primark

ScatteredMama82 · 27/02/2020 10:13

I'm not so worried about catching the virus itself. We are thankfully all fit and well, but I am worried about quarantine, schools closing, shops being empty. I kind of just want it to happen now and get it over with. My DH is military and works away all week - I'm scared he's going to end up in lockdown away from us and I'll have to cope on my own.

KundaliniRising · 27/02/2020 10:15

I am at the same point as you Mojo, prepped and ready as much as we can be.

Just playing the waiting game now Hmm

A huge thank you to all here on this thread and for those that are keeping us all updated.

Still doing stinging nettle picking, trying to dry as much as i can incase we fall ill and cant go out to pick it fresh. Last years dry stocks are nearly gone, so i need to replenish them.

HairyFloppins · 27/02/2020 10:15

Primark had some handgel by the tills, buckets full. They had loads. 80p a bottle and 75% ethanol.

I have been getting my large bottles of hand gel from superdrug, it is hospital grade.

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