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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:16

I know what you mean scattered. We know it's coming and it's inevitable

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:18

#IRAN—Head of the National security committe- Iranian parliament, Mojtaba Dhul Nur, has been infected with the #Coronavirus

Oliphantitus · 27/02/2020 10:19

I have lots of food, lots of cleaning stuff, lots of medicines, lots of vitamins.....I started a spreadsheet of use by dates for breads etc so that I don't let stuff go off. It is a super boring activity! Then I have a rough meal plan but I'll go over it again so that I feel reassured.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:20

Emmanuel #Macron says the world is facing a crisis and an epidemic is coming. #coronavirus #france

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:22

50 people are currently quarantined in #Oslo, #Norway— for suspected cases of #coronavirus. They are currently awaiting test results.

Ladyellow · 27/02/2020 10:29

Hi, first time poster here although following the threads for a few weeks. Fairly well prepped- just need to buy more loo roll and nappies and we’d be great for two weeks, ok for 4 I reckon( big chest freezer!). Just a question about the prediction of 40 million people getting it in the Uk- doesn’t that seem awfully high? I have no doubt it will get worse here but currently 0.0002% of China have it - 40 million is 60% of our population- why would we be getting it at such an extraordinary rate here? Any ideas?

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:31

#UK—A medical practice in #Derbyshire has told patients not to visit after confirming a case of #coronavirus. It is in #Buxton, where a primary school is also closed

georgedawes · 27/02/2020 10:32

Because we won't quarantine like China, Lady!

georgedawes · 27/02/2020 10:33

which one ofwarren, do you know?

tangled2 · 27/02/2020 10:36

Buxton Medical Practice according to the guardian

Banana0pancakes · 27/02/2020 10:36

I don't think we'll ever have the true number of cases from china, they were caught off guard and tried to dismiss it before acknowledging what was happening. As long as the trend of cases is correct I think that's the best we can hope for out of them.

BridgeToTerabithia · 27/02/2020 10:37

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said on Thursday that the government would ask all elementary, junior high and high schools to close from March 2 until spring break, typically around the end of March.

He was speaking at a meeting of the government’s task force to contain the spread of the new coronavirus.

georgedawes · 27/02/2020 10:38

Thanks Tangled. Very close to home indeed.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:39

#IRAN'S TOTAL #CORONAVIRUS INFECTIONS REACH 245

RedLentilYellowLentil · 27/02/2020 10:39

I just came on to mention the case of the Japanese woman who has become reinfected but see that's already been mentioned. Useful (if grim) to know for sure now that that is possible, and how things play out for her will be important. I hope she's OK.

ShanghaiDiva · 27/02/2020 10:41

I think we will never know the true number of cases because many people in Wuhan probably had a mild infection and never even knew they had it, probably back in January, and went on to infect others and with people travelling over Chinese New Year it spread from there.

Ladyellow · 27/02/2020 10:52

@georgedawes agree we won’t be any good at self quarantining etc- my friend came back from Thailand and had symptoms but didn’t bother 😡. She was then tested and doesn’t have it so that made her feel justified! @Banana0pancakes also agree about numbers, I tripled china’s published cases to get that percentage assuming it was accurate. 0.2 percent of our population getting it would still be 1000 x more than in China. Can you tell I have a small baby ( and a 5 year old) and am trying to make my self feel better?!

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:53

#israel reports 3rd case of #coronavirus. Individual has travelled to #Italy

ViolaTricolora · 27/02/2020 10:55

Here's another a lurker, mainly because I'm not British. I've been following these threads and wanted to say thank you for all the info. I'm really glad I did prepare a little, because five cases have popped up just over the border, and German authorities are saying the spread most likely can't be contained. They do try, all children of a kindergarten where one of the cases works are being tested, all patients of an infected dokter are being tracked and 300 people who've visited a carnaval party and their families are being asked to selfquarantaine. www.spiegel.de/panorama/coronavirus-nordrhein-westfalen-sucht-nach-weiteren-infizierten-a-c1d7cb7e-239d-4279-a611-0ca5b615df99

Furthermore: my preplist has drain cleaner in quite a prominent place. I hope nobody else has annoying drains that cause the bathroom to flood regularly, a cold indoor swimming pool definitely is overrated, but better safe than sorry.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:57

2nd case of #coronavirus in #GREECE

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 10:58

#GREECE REPORTS 3RD CASE OF #CORONAVIRUS

discoballz · 27/02/2020 10:59

@Ladyellow no children have died of it AFAIK, anywhere.

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 11:09

Chinas stats say 0.2% of their deaths are in children aged 10-19. None below 10 though.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 11:10

Spain confirms 2 new coronavirus cases in Madrid; preliminary information indicates both cases don't have travel history t.co/eUoE2b20hL

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 11:11

Hang on that isn't right. They say the death rate in children aged 10-19 is 0.2% but then they qualify that by saying that doesn't indicate that they've had actual deaths in that age group.

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