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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 27/02/2020 08:31

NEW: Geneva, Switzerland confirms its first case; 2nd in the country t.co/eUoE2b20hL

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 08:32

"confirmed" by the derbyshire times @ofwarren or have you found it somewhere else too?

ChipotleBlessing · 27/02/2020 08:32

That case in Buxton isn’t actually in a school. It’s a parent and they’re being ultra cautious.

Pegase · 27/02/2020 08:33

@MoonlightMistletoe because that is not the guidance to schools (or anyone). The entirety of Northern Italy is Cat 2 bar those 11 towns which means self-isolate only if symptoms. A fair few children will be as clearly many have colds anyway at this time of year.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 08:33

Only by the darbyshire times and the Glossop newspaper so far. Sorry, I'm on school run at the moment. Will delve more when I get back.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 08:35

I expect the Buxton case missed the Government's 2pm annoucement cut off yesterday. Therefore I would imagine it will be included today along with a round up of probably quite a few cases diagnosed in the last 24 hours with Italy links.

ChipotleBlessing · 27/02/2020 08:38

The parent may not even be a UK resident. It’s a bit irresponsible of a news agency to list this as a a confirmed case in a school.

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 08:38

There are bound to be school ski trip related cases. The government guidance for schools has again been updated this morning to say don't send kids home unless they've actually had contact with a confirmed case. To me that immediately indicates there are going to be announcements of confirmed school cases but they don't want whole school closures.

If that is the case then its impossible. They mix too closely.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 08:40

BBC journalist has a kid in the school

avocadoincident · 27/02/2020 08:50

For anyone with children in nappies why not consider getting a few reusable ones. We use them and it's not too gross or complicated. Most local authorities I know of offer a free one as an incentive to try them out. But all my nappies are bought second hand. The more they are washed the more absorbent they are so 2nd hand made sense to us.

Reusable wipes are also a good shout. The ones I use are home made. I cut up an old fleece blanket and they've been fab for two years. I wash them in a laundry net so they not get stuck in the machine.

NcFortuna · 27/02/2020 08:52

I made husband eat the last of his delicious tasteless homemade ice cream last night to make more space for hash browns. 😈

Moomin8 · 27/02/2020 08:56

Why arnt any of the school children having to self isolate who have been to northern Italy for ski trips? I know someone who has come back and a few of their class mates have been taken for testing as they have flu symptoms, the others are back at school. This just doesn't seem sensible at all!

They are where I live. My daughter goes to an academy which is part of a group. We had a letter to say that one of the academies is taking the precaution of closing since it's students had recently returned from northern Italy and some had symptoms and are being tested for COVID.

bellinisurge · 27/02/2020 09:00

Might be an idea to add fresh garlic to your shop if you like it. Apart from that which is stubbornly refusing time grow in my garden Blush, most fresh supermarket garlic comes from China. There could be supply problems.
Condiments and herbs are important for livening up dull repetitive dinners if you are stuck in the house.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 09:06

Update on #coronavirus:

Two further patients in England have tested positive for #COVID19, bringing the total number of UK cases to 15.

Patients have been transferred to specialist NHS infection centres.

More info:
▶️t.co/NIDom2yqyM t.co/aoWIuKR7Ps

Choux · 27/02/2020 09:16

As far as I know they have not said they are Arrowe Park people so does that mean they are random cases?

FelicityFebruary · 27/02/2020 09:17

I have run out of all my herbs and mixed herbs at the moment. Last night I was down to onion and fresh ginger, still tasty!

Apart from that and normal restocking I can't fit much more in really.

Then I'm going offline for a while.It s nice to have seen you bellini. I saw you on on prepping for Brexit threads but i name change fairly regularly.

FelicityFebruary · 27/02/2020 09:18

On the link it says they have returned from Italy and Tenerife.

HasaDigaEebowai · 27/02/2020 09:18

They are loose/radom cases. One most likely the parent in Buxton.

Its really weird not having updates on the main prepping thread. Goes completely against the grain for me

Choux · 27/02/2020 09:18

Just re read the link. Passed on in Italy and Tenerife. So two different routes. It's here.

georgedawes · 27/02/2020 09:20

Lurker dropping in here. Am worried as new case is my area..

ifonly4 · 27/02/2020 09:21

ofwarren that's not the news we wanted, but thank you.

Another here, who needs a break so going for a short hill walk shortly. Fresh air will do me good. Also, working trying to keep myself generally fit and health with exercise and healthier eating isn't going to do any harm generally and hopefully from a prep point of view.

Don't know what to do about masks, the only ones I can find that I can afford are surgical - just wondering if they'd be better than nothing for the odd shopping trip.
I had felt totally prepared with my prep, but looking at getting a few extra things in, cat food (they are greedy b.....s). I've got my Mum on board this week, but suspect she won't get enough to maybe a few things we jointly use.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 09:23

I'm going to start the updates in here again Hasa as you say, it makes total sense.

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