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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:43

Department of health just shared this 🙄
PM @BorisJohnson on the public health advice for coronavirus prevention. t.co/XvwVeb1uMM

NemophilistRebel · 28/02/2020 18:45

This thread is in The Times today

Prepping for a pandemic...7
Prepping for a pandemic...7
sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 18:46

More lazy journalism

RocketQueen21 · 28/02/2020 18:48

WOW BJ Blush just WOW ! “Talking about the preparations that we need to make” not the preparations that we HAVE made ffs 🙄

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 18:48

Bolting stable door horses

Dennisreynoldsduster · 28/02/2020 18:49

Nowhere is delivering in my local area (deliveroo) tonight. Everything just says “back soon”. Wonder if it’s related or a coincidence

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:52

NEW: Google says one of its employees at the office in Zurch has tested positive for coronavirus; his or her last visit to the office was before developing symptoms

RocketQueen21 · 28/02/2020 18:52

@sideorderofchips exactly 😉

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:53

Amazon told its employees to defer non-essential travel, including within the U.S., to help prevent the spread of coronavirus within the company t.co/oZRD0wzLpO t.co/6HS3Ig7ljA

LeGrandBleu · 28/02/2020 18:53

ABOUT THE REPORTED NUMBERS IN ITALY Italy has changed the way they count and report cases. Only those with symptoms will be reported to international agencies and apparently most countries do so to avoid panic.
Asymptomatic cases represent 40-50% of cases so I reckon to know the true extent of contagion you need to double the figures.

Apparently most countries were reporting only the symptomatic figures, Italy was doing total of positive but the backlash on economy has been such that they changed It

www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/28/news/cambia_il_metodo_di_conteggio_esclusi_i_positivi_asintomatici-249765660/?ref=drnweb.repubblica.scroll-6

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:06

NEW: French health minister says several clusters of coronavirus identified, 19 new cases today t.co/eUoE2b20hL

EliK · 28/02/2020 19:07

That's interesting, thanks @LeGrandBleu

AlohaMolly · 28/02/2020 19:08

I think I have never felt less confident in someone than Boris. I look at him and see someone that doesn’t have the faintest clue and probably didn’t even give a shit until some poor underling finally managed to catch his attention.

I’m relatively healthy and early 30s, DS is 3 with no underlying health issues. DP is reactive to many things and in poor health generally and his parents are in their 70s, one of whom will be winging their way back from Australia next week Hmm I worry about them, mostly. My parents are 60 and under and my brother and his family are younger than me, but are in London.

I don’t know what my next steps are going to be - we are rural but next to a uni town so who knows what that means!!

I might have to step away from this thread for a day as I’m beginning to feel quite panicky! Could be to do with the fact that I haven’t had a period for 43 days though...

MakeLemonade · 28/02/2020 19:08

I got this on a school WhatsApp group today, apparently sent out from an elder siblings school. Assume this is a load of old rubbish?

The new NCP coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days, how can one know if he/she is infected. By the time they have fever and/or cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs is usually 50 % Fibrosis and it's too late!

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning:

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness etc it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection.

In critical times, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air!

SERIOUS EXCELLENT ADVICE by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases. Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist, never DRY. Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will WASH them down through your oesophagus and into the stomach. Once there in tummy...your stomach ACID will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly...the virus can enter your windpipes and into the LUNGS. That's very dangerous.

Please send and share with family, friends and everyone about this! Take care everyone n may the world recovers from corona virus soon.

bellinisurge · 28/02/2020 19:09

It's useless.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:09

French health minister advises people not to shake hands, says coronavirus epidemic in France has entered a new stage - BFM

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 19:12

Total bollocks.

For a start it's already been proven that this virus can infect the digestive tract (hence why a small proportion have D&V).

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Destinysdaughter · 28/02/2020 19:13

Just watching C4 News, they were talking about the prospect of there being a morgue in Hyde Park, with tents! Fuck...

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 19:14

Have just seen The Times piece - my thread is famous

Which is hilarious because I've never been a prepper before.

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ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:16

Coronavirus cases at military base north of Paris

Dennisreynoldsduster · 28/02/2020 19:19

@Destinysdaughter holy fuck that’s scary
What did they actually say

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:20

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 28 February 2020, a total of 8,986 people have been tested:

8,966 negative.
20 positive.

For latest information visit:
t.co/CZh5JdyN2Q t.co/rEeU7lGSck

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 19:25

What we have to remember with things like the temporary morgue at Hyde Park is that they have to prepare for a worst case scenario.

This would be a sort of Spanish Flu situation.

It doesn't mean we'll actually reach that point.

In the same way many of us have prepped but may not actually need 3 weeks food in the house or whatever

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ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:26

England reports 1 new case of coronavirus in UK's first known instance of human-to-human transmission t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 19:28

#ITALY— #Coronavirus: 20 positive cases in #Liguria , all related to #Alassio

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