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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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RedLentilYellowLentil · 28/02/2020 17:44

21 deaths to 46 recovered isn't a great ratio, is it.

EliK · 28/02/2020 17:47

The news isn't looking great.
Does anyone have any good tips while we still have time to prep?

Cora1942 · 28/02/2020 17:54

I have ordered a thermometer and sats probe. Maybe good to know families temperature and oxygen levels. Just thinking if maybe they/I are ill at home and may help decide if need hospital treatment. If its available. Family member with asthma so thinking if they get a chest infection. Sat probe was £20
I have food order. But not worried about alcohol gel as prefer soap will get more tomorrow.

actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 17:55

Thought I'd try and add something productive after causing controversy earlier Blush

I picked up a packet of cress seed in lidl and some kitchen towel. It's apparently highly nutritious and v fast growing - to add to pasta or eggs while they are fresh. Just another thing to perk up our food along with the herbs and stock cubes.

I also have a DS10 who is super picky but will eat noodles and home-made tomato sauce till the cows come home. So I am making a huge batch of hidden veg Tom sauce for the freezer - works with pasta, on homemade pizza dough and also as a passata with mince. None will be wasted as he eats it all the time, but a way og getting fresh veg into a super picky child. I make it with onion, carrot, peppers/courgette etc. Chop all up, simmer with a stock cube till soft and whack in the nutri-bullet and voila - tasty, bit free sauce ready to freeze.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:59

Italy reports 166 new cases of coronavirus and 4 new deaths, raising total to 821 cases and 21 deaths t.co/eUoE2b20hL

GorkyMcPorky · 28/02/2020 18:00

@actiongirl in going to make some of your veg sauce.

bellinisurge · 28/02/2020 18:00

Good call. I have a few micro greens like that. Cress. Kale. Broccoli. Good fun for kids to do. You don't need to do anything other than have them sprout. No repotting or thinning out. Shove em in a sauce or munch em in a sandwich.
I used to do it as a kid to make bean sprouts years ago. Used a jar, some net curtain and an elastic band - it was the 70s GrinI rediscovered it recently.

actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 18:04

@GorkyMcPorky good luck. Also if you use the jars of garlic passata from Aldi, it really adds flavour and you can stretch one jar of passata a long way.

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 18:06

Does anyone have any good tips while we still have time to prep?

Write BB dates on top of tins with permanent marker & stack in date order with use soonest at the front.

Remove frozen food from packaging & place in food storage bags, writing cook temp & time on the front (or cut out instructions & slip into bag) for extra storage space.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:08

A Norwegian doctor has tested positive for #Coronavirus

lemonjumper · 28/02/2020 18:08

I wonder if the 2pm update people have decided just to head home for the weekend...

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 18:09

for extra storage space *in the freezer.

I also split mince, chicken breasts ect into meal portions this way.

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 18:11

There are 85 people in intensive care in just one region of Italy apparently

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fay00d/85innintensivecareejustinnoneprovinceeof_italy/

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Aurea · 28/02/2020 18:12

Tea tree oil is anti viral and anti bacterial. Also can you put a splash of vodka in a lower ethanol content hand gel bottle?

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 18:12

It makes you wonder if its being under reported to stop panic

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 18:13

Vodka is different to ethanol though. We use 99% ethanol at work for practicals but vodka isn't that strong

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:13

Italy reports 233 new cases of coronavirus and 4 new deaths, raising total to 888 cases and 21 deaths t.co/eUoE2b20hL

AlohaMolly · 28/02/2020 18:18

In terms of the U.K. reaction to this, what do you all think is actually going on?

Moomin8 · 28/02/2020 18:21

In terms of the U.K. reaction to this, what do you all think is actually going on?

Well we have a health service that was being dismantled a long time ago. The pm certainly won't care who dies or who looses their job.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 28/02/2020 18:25

In terms of the U.K. reaction to this, what do you all think is actually going on?

Government are all on the golf course or in the pub, from the looks of things.

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 18:25

In terms of the U.K. reaction to this, what do you all think is actually going on?

It depends on how far down the rabbit hole you want to fall

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 18:29

www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml
The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday

LittleSwede · 28/02/2020 18:32

So BJ has done his TV appearance to say that CV is now government priority, I wondered if the department of health was waiting for this before posting today's update?

30daysoflight · 28/02/2020 18:35

Just had an email from Ocado advising of high demand for delivery slots. I have finished prepping what I could and can't do anymore. Seems like many people have decided to prepare

ChipotleBlessing · 28/02/2020 18:40

Personally I don’t think the UK government would in anyway want to let the virus spread. It affects older people (their core vote) particularly badly. And a government that messes this up won’t hold on to office for long. But they’re in a very difficult position because they have underfunded the NHS, public health and local authorities for a decade. So there’s virtually no slack for them to plan with. They’ve also underfunded the police and the army. So there’s limited capacity to enforce a large scale quarantine.

They’re having to concentrate contingency planning on temporary mortuary sites and how to ration healthcare. Not because they want to, but because they don’t have much choice. So if that’s where the focus of your planning is, you won’t want to talk about it very much.

However, the NHS, PHE and LAs are actually very good. So while there is containment and capacity they will do a good job. Beyond that, it will be extremely difficult. If there is widespread community transmission the government will collapse as soon as things begin to return to normal, because they will rightly be held responsible for what they’ve done to public services.

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