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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ifonly4 · 28/02/2020 17:09

There's going to be a fair new worried people in Surrey.

I got my Mum onboard at beginning of the week in terms of prepping. She's getting extra toilet rolls, soup, UHT, pasta, canned tomatoes, is going to freeze some onions and try and keep her fridge freezer topped up. Just talked her into a few more bits, which I'm getting tomorrow tuna, baked beans, porridge, coucous. Might add another UHT. She has a few cans of tinned veg and I suspect that's her limit. Still anything is better than nothingWink

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:11

The U.S. CDC will provide an update on coronavirus at 12:15 p.m. ET. We'll have a livestream on YouTube t.co/KUh3q5Nqhz

JustMeAndMyTins · 28/02/2020 17:14

WHO official: "If this was influenza we would probably have called this a pandemic by now, but what we've seen with this virus is that [containment measures work] and to declare a pandemic it's unhelpful to do that when you're still trying to contain a disease"

@ofwarren I think this is really important. A lot of people online are complaining about WHO not declaring the pandemic. But, while the disaster/pandemic plans would kick in (whatever they look like and at whatever level initially), the tracing, testing, etc would stop in that case. I think they're trying to ensure we remain focused on containing it.

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:14

Where are you seeing 210 deaths in Iran?

WelliAmNot · 28/02/2020 17:16

Gp in surrey has got coronavirus, they’re tracking down patients. They’re also concerned as his wife is a GP also

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:17

I got the info from the BNO newsroom on twitter. They are a blue ticked account and I haven't seen them post anything that is incorrect so far.
I have messaged them and asked for the original source. Those numbers are shocking

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:20

The source for Iran is BBC Persia www.bbc.com/persian/amp/iran-51676966?__twitter_impression=true

lemonjumper · 28/02/2020 17:22

According to Google Translate, the BBC Persia article says "According to hospital BBC Persian sources, at least five people have died of coronavirus in different cities of Iran by Thursday evening."

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:26

Does it mention 210 at all? I'm baffled because that twitter account is genuinely on the ball. It's a big slip up if they are wrong.

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 17:26

I'm on the Surrey/Hampshire border.

I'll be out and about at the weekend, won't be wearing a mask but I'll be taking lots of hand sanitiser and tissues to try not to touch handrails, door knobs, etc.

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sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:31

What I read on BBC was 210 were infected

Pppppickupapenguin · 28/02/2020 17:33

A hospital in Shropshire (which is mostly rural) is now asking for admin staff for swabbing in a 'pod'. 12 hour shifts so that they have 24 hour cover. Doesn't say when its starting though.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:33

Maybe they have misread it then?
Do you know the numbers that Iran have declared have been infected?

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:34

Just looked on bno twitter and can't see it. Maybe they deleted after a typo

Aurea · 28/02/2020 17:34

A good friend of mine is Iranian, although she lives in the UK now. She has family in Iran.

She told me today that what is being reported is the tip of an iceberg and it's at least ten times worse and the panic is setting in. She quoted her relatives claiming 1500 deaths and the Iranian government is suppressing information.

We only hear what the authorities want us to know.

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:35

245 infect and 26 dead is last I saw

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:36

It's definitely still there. @BNODesk

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:36

Over here (jersey) we can't get hand gel anymore every shop is sold out

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:38

Found it

Prepping for a pandemic...7
ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:39

@sideorderofchips it's on BBC breaking in English now too
At least 210 coronavirus patients have died in Iran - far more than officially admitted - Iranian health sources tell BBC

Latest: t.co/nB7EwoM1qB t.co/VbabRkuI88

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:39

JUST IN: The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in Italy totals 888, including 21 deaths and 46 patients who have recovered - official t.co/BKluFpYK4D

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:41

I was just being blind I think @ofwarren

It's rather unsettling isn't it

AvocadoOwl · 28/02/2020 17:41

I'm surprised people are surprised about Iran.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:42

Yeah, it's a lot to take in really isn't it. Nightmare situation.

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 17:43

It is.

My collegue and i are both preppers and have discussed what we are doing. She is a microbiologist by training so she has been advising

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