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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Tinnednut · 28/02/2020 16:20

@AvocadoOwl thank you that's good news. I will get into that tonight.

Good point about pre-booking delivery slots.

bellinisurge · 28/02/2020 16:20

As for your conservatory stash - might think about checking it and moving it. Or keep an eye on it and wipe regularly. Rusting takes a time.

EducatingArti · 28/02/2020 16:21

If they tape across the door in China when you are self isolating, how do you get any food deliveries etc?

Effieray · 28/02/2020 16:21

Came across this on a Prepper forum - a collective noun for the naysayers who believe “it’s just flu.”
The Prepper will always be a Prepper. A Napper is someone who arrogantly believes nothing could shake their world, yet in a moment of crisis instantly becomes a Beggar & violently insists the Prepper come to their aid.

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 16:25

I think they deliver to the compound. My friend just said the compound authorities were helping her to get deliveries. I assume it’s left outside their door and door is then re-taped.
Btw they do not have any symptoms this is self quarantine due to coming from South Korea.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 16:25

WHO official: "If this was influenza we would probably have called this a pandemic by now, but what we've seen with this virus is that [containment measures work] and to declare a pandemic it's unhelpful to do that when you're still trying to contain a disease"

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 16:29

If they tape across the door in China when you are self isolating, how do you get any food deliveries etc?

An educated guess rather than fact but most people live in apartments (not houses) which have security.

They are responsible for various administrative bits of the quarantining so they would let you know your delivery had arrived and once you were back in would re-seal with new paper I assume.

Someone more knowledgeable like Shanghai Diva might know more.

This is one thing where we would have to have a different model in the UK. I guess you would have to have volunteers to take on this kind of role as we don't have enough police?

As it happens I suspect the Govt won't do this kind of lockdown (which is easier for managing day to day life but means we are more likely to see a lot more cases than China).

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 16:29

Cross post with Shanghai!

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 16:30

The Prepper will always be a Prepper. A Napper is someone who arrogantly believes nothing could shake their world, yet in a moment of crisis instantly becomes a Beggar & violently insists the Prepper come to their aid.

Sounds about right!

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eeeyoresmiles · 28/02/2020 16:36

Quarantine wardens? Wink

Prepping for a pandemic...7
Prepping for a pandemic...7
ofwarren · 28/02/2020 16:38

I love that @Effieray!

WelliAmNot · 28/02/2020 16:40

Not sure how to click link

apple.news/AekKTryo9TrGAZA5HAnLcvg

FelicityFebruary · 28/02/2020 16:41

Possible daft question : So I guess the UK will continue testing and contact tracing after we've reached 100 cases, and containment continues plus possibly mitigation?

CocoaLipbalm · 28/02/2020 16:43

@tinnednut I was surprised too, but he said they’d had a large order from an NHS facility locally and it was given priority, while also completely depleting their stock. Any further deliveries would be earmarked for the NHS in the first instance allegedly 🤔

sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 16:53

It might not be true but maybe being said to stop people going nuts they can't get any

JustMeAndMyTins · 28/02/2020 17:01

OK, well, as I say, I guess I'm just being dim. The rules require you to be in isolation, and based on what @actiongirl1978* is saying, she is. To me that's a fact, not an interpretation. I would be far more concerned about people who are supposedly in isolation but cohabit with someone who is coming and going, which - insane though it sounds to me - apparently does comply with the rules.

@RedLentilYellowLentil I completely agree. I don't think for one second that is flouting the rules. Obviously it becomes very different if you live in London or in a block of flats or whatever. But frankly, disposing of your potentially-contaminated rubbish in communal bins is probably infinitely more dangerous.

It's a stretch to say there's a chance of someone catching it if you are a distance from any other human life or any surfaces, in a truly remote area. And I say this as a person who is generally at the nuttier end of this spectrum.

justchecking1 · 28/02/2020 17:04

I don't think we're saying the infection risk would be high for actiongirl, more that if the rules aren't very clear and expected to be adhered to, you would end up with people interpreting the rules in a way that would be a high risk

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:07

At least 210 people in Iran are believed to have died of coronavirus, according to the BBC, citing hospital sources

SharpieInThe · 28/02/2020 17:07

The new cloths for my steam mop came today (remember back in the day where you weren't really a Mumsnetter unless you had one). Steam usually does a good job killing nasties so it's an extra swiff round once a day here.

Makes defrosting freezers easier too, ideal if you have 3 of the bloody things 😂

pemberlyshades · 28/02/2020 17:07

The later the "2pm" announcement is the more twitched I get! Is anyone else the same?

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:07

2 new cases od #coronavirus in #Sweden

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 17:09

Am sure there is very little chance of infecting someone, they key issue is allowing individuals to adapt the rules as they see fit, thus reducing the effectiveness of any containment measures.
China has been effective in containment control, no new cases for 7 days in my city of 7 million, but there are serious penalties for flouting any rules, regardless of risk of infecting anyone.

pemberlyshades · 28/02/2020 17:09

This is the latest it's been right?

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 17:09

Yes its the latest

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