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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 12:26

^If we're self-isolating, can we still walk the dogs to the park (avoiding other people) ?
^
With the length of time being reported that the virus can survive on surfaces, I'd be worried about my dog stepping in someone's spit or something & transferring it back at home by his paws.
I can't believe I'm even thinking like thisConfused

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 12:29

About 3 weeks too late @KundaliniRising

RocketQueen21 · 28/02/2020 12:31

Cobra meeting not until Monday Hmm

RocketQueen21 · 28/02/2020 12:36

In the words of Benjamin Franklin “By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.”

UnaOfStormhold · 28/02/2020 12:39

Apparently you can make diy hand gel by mixing aloe vera gel and isopropyl alcohol in appropriate proportions. Have ordered some to try it.

actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 12:43

I live very rurally. I will certainly be walking our dog if we have to stay at home. I hardly ever see a soul when I'm out with him.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 12:47

I live very rurally. I will certainly be walking our dog if we have to stay at home. I hardly ever see a soul when I'm out with him.

Well if you've been told to self isolate you need to be prepared to be moved into quarantine by PHE then. They don't just say isolation for the fun of it you know. It doesn't mean go about your daily lives. Hmm

Clearly if its a whole area locked down then its slightly different (although still pretty stupid).

I have a large dog myself. I do understand but you can't put the walking needs of your dog above the public health needs of the country.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 12:47

#NORWAY- confirms 5th case of #coronavirus

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 12:50

@actiongirl1978
It is this type of attitude that leads to extreme measures being taken to ensure people self isolate/remain in quarantine.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 12:57

2 hotels in Abu Dhabi have been put on lockdown after 2 Italians tested positive for coronavirus. Guests are being screened.

MissPoldark · 28/02/2020 13:01

How not to wear a mask.....

Prepping for a pandemic...7
ofwarren · 28/02/2020 13:05

BREAKING: British passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship dies of coronavirus - Kyodo t.co/eUoE2b20hL

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 13:05

First British person has died - from the DP cruise

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actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 13:12

But if we are told to self-isolate but are not suspected of having it, how can we cause a problem walking in a field amongst a whole lot of fields where no-one lives? I mean that genuinely, not trying to be difficult.

Also just to thank the OP for the threads, ive been following since thread 2 and have a house prepped and children hand washing.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 13:35

The patient is described as a British man but his identity has not yet been released. For those concerned about David Abel: It's not him

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 13:36

Mexico confirms first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 13:38

First British person has died - from the DP cruise

I don't think it's David Abel as he posted a vlog to YT about 7hrs ago.
Will be crushing to his moral though if it turns out to be his friend who he was worried about & spoke of in earlier videos.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 13:38

but actiongirl if you are told to self isolate that is because you are suspected of having it. It won't necessarily have been confirmed but its because you might have it. You can't leave the house.

WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 13:39

*morale

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 13:39

Sky news says it isn't David Abel. Although whoever it is its obviously very sad and not the way you expect your holiday to go. DA has just been a high profile case.

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 13:40

Self isolate means stay at home. It’s not up to the individual to interpret the rules as they see fit. Interpretation of rules will inevitably need to spread of the virus. The Chinese were tough and my city of 7 million has had no new cases for 7 days. However, movement between compounds has been strictly controlled eg no entry if you are not a resident. Nobody was able to interpret the rules to say can I just pop and see a friend for two minutes...
Eg my friend went back to Australia after being in China and had to self isolate for 14 days, standard procedure, she had no symptoms. She was allowed to go into her garden if she wore a mask, not allowed to go anywhere else.

echobench · 28/02/2020 13:41

They must have died alone in hospital. So sad.

actiongirl1978 · 28/02/2020 13:41

Ok so I think I am confusing self-isolation with quarantined areas then.

And that is a valid point, thank you. I didn't mean to sound irresponsible. I am a worrier but DH is sceptical despite commuting to London each day. I will be smug every time I provide a meal if we all have to stay in.

echobench · 28/02/2020 13:41

...as is every death of course.

justchecking1 · 28/02/2020 13:41

But if we are told to self-isolate but are not suspected of having it, how can we cause a problem walking in a field amongst a whole lot of fields where no-one lives? I mean that genuinely, not trying to be difficult.

But that's the whole reason for self isolating, no one will know who has it and who doesn't or where there will be virus particles out in the wild. If you don't stay in known areas, you can't be sure that you won't pass it on or become infected yourself.

In some places there have been jail sentences for breaking quarantine. In North Korea a man was shot for breaking quarantine! Unlikely to happen here obviously, but it shows how seriously this should be taken.

If we don't take it seriously and follow it to the letter, there will be no point in doing it at all.

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