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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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sideorderofchips · 28/02/2020 08:10

It was a weak positive but hopefully it isn't transmissible via pets otherwise that's a whole other kettle of fish

lemonjumper · 28/02/2020 08:12

Oh dear! Just looked it up ... "Officials will carry out further tests to confirm whether the dog has really been infected with the disease, or if it was a result of environmental contamination of its mouth and nose."

Will be one to watch.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 28/02/2020 08:13

I had heard internet rumours of thousands of pets being euthanased in China - they don't look so far fetched now.

BrokenBrit · 28/02/2020 08:14

The dog thing adds a whole new layer of terror. Like with many people, they are my babies.
It is reminiscent of the queues of people in 1939 taking their dogs to be be euthanised before the war.
I feel sick.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 08:16

Tunbridge I think we'd probably have heard about that more if it were true. China has been highly praised by the WHO for the measures it has taken so if that was an infection control measure I think we'd probably know (although it would of course be extremely unpopular)

YoursTunbridgeWells · 28/02/2020 08:18

@HasaDigaEebowai - I hope so. They were just rumours. But after the welding into apartments videos made a respected Australian documentary, it makes me question everything,however far-fetched.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:18

South Korea confirms 315 new coronavirus cases, or 571 today; total of 2,337 cases t.co/8JtqthS9ri

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:21

NOW: Japan reports a new death due to coronavirus in Wakayama Prefecture; the fifth in the country, plus 4 from the Diamond Princess cruise ship t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:21

: Belarus confirms its first case of coronavirus in a student from Iran t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:23

NEW: Mexico's Health Ministry says a man has tested positive for coronavirus in an initial test, but they're waiting for results from a 2nd test. If confirmed, it would be Mexico's 1st case and the 2nd in Latin America

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:23

New Zealand confirms its first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:25

Lithuania reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ShanghaiDiva · 28/02/2020 08:25

I live in China and there have been no details issued for special measures regarding pets (in my compound). I have friends with dogs and they are walking them and taking them out as normal.
Of course, this factual information is nowhere near as exciting as the sinophobia you encounter on social media...

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:25

Nigeria reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:26

Coronavirus updates:

  • 2 new cases in Croatia
  • 2 new cases in France
  • 2 new cases in Malaysia
  • 2 new cases in Taiwan t.co/eUoE2b20hL
WitchDoc · 28/02/2020 08:29

@ShanghaiDiva

That is reassuring, thank you. They would have to prise my dog out of my cold, dead hands!

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:38

Tokyo Disney Resort and Universal Studios Japan will be closed for at least 2 weeks to prevent the spread of coronavirus - NHK

BrokenBrit · 28/02/2020 08:41

@ShanghaiDiva

Thank you for the reassurance re. Dogs.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:41

Thanks for the info about having to soak for virus and Dettol liquid.
Does anyone know if freezing works with coronavirus? I used to do it with my son's school jumper.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:43

Coronavirus updates:

  • 12 new cases in Hokkaido, Japan
  • 2 new cases in Kuwait
  • 1 new case in Greece t.co/eUoE2b20hL
LightofMine · 28/02/2020 08:49

Thanks for the reassurance @ShanghaiDiva.

I think if it got to a stage of being wide spread in my area / lock down then I would also isolate my cat with me and not let her out, not that she'd be happy with that but she can travel for miles and come into contact with anyone or anything,. Lots of local cats make themselves at home in other peoples houses for the day - they have no loyalty!

Might be worth adding 'puppy training pads' cat tray / litter liners and nappy sacks to the prepping lists if you have pets and want to keep them in, especially cats. Dogs are a bit easier as you can let them in the garden or keep on a lead and know what they are coming into contact with.

This obviously depends on the risk of transmission through pets / animals so will be keeping an eye on the china case.

Newjez · 28/02/2020 08:50

Just bought a new thermometer.

I would suggest everyone has one, as fever is a common sign.

ofwarren · 28/02/2020 08:50

France confirms 1 new case of coronavirus, the first one in Nice; total of 41 cases t.co/eUoE2b20hL

LightofMine · 28/02/2020 08:53

571 new cases in S. Korea, their cases are escalating very quickly.

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