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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 23:06

I have zero confidence, esp if the 111 debacle in article on corona thread in aibu is anything to go by.

Confusing, befuddling, nonsensical.

Gp saying go home, isolate call 111 then 111 says... Go to gp!!

Mum2jenny · 27/02/2020 23:10

Locally Boots were out of alcoholic hand gel and so were Sainsbury’s because of the ‘Buxton’ issue apparently. We are miles from Buxton but it is in the next county!

Plenty of most products on the shelves here though, so no real evidence of panic buying.

AmelieTaylor · 27/02/2020 23:10

@MakeLemonade. I’m watching it too, not sure I can take much more though tbh. I just want to say ‘stop fucking arguing about who fucked up the economy & just pull together to get a DECENT plan in place - do your Fucking job,🤬

Destinysdaughter · 27/02/2020 23:16

I watched 2 mins of QT but couldn't bear it, watching an interview with Kim Cattrel instead! ( much better for the blood pressure...)

Cora1942 · 27/02/2020 23:28

Just want to thank everyone for this thread. None of my family/friends are taking this seriously. So many people bury their head and shouting panic at others who want to calmly deal with the problem.

IceWings · 27/02/2020 23:33

Well obviously a lot of people are taking it seriously, considering that masks and hand gel are sold out everywhere.

Mum2jenny · 27/02/2020 23:34

I know I’m a control freak but I feel so much better when I know I’m in control and have plans to mitigate local supply issues.

And I hate fighting for food in supermarkets at all times. I’d rather go without!!

OneMoreWish · 27/02/2020 23:44

www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JustVisiting9 · 28/02/2020 05:07

Hi,

Does anyone know how long the virus can last on clothing? And will normal laundry routines kill it off?

I've got plenty of food, loo roll etc. This weekend I'll be turning my attention to books, entertainment and batteries for my radio. I live on my own so I think having to spend a long time in any form of isolation will be tough.

I am healthy so not too concerned about the impact of the virus on me. I am very worried about the impact on vulnerable people - e.g. those who rely on food banks or sleep on the streets. They'll be in a very dangerous situation if the services they rely on stop and there's nobody to help. I am not sure what, if anything, can be done to help.

FourTeaFallOut · 28/02/2020 06:00

In the Q & A session Dr John Campbell did on Saturday he seemed pretty confident that putting your clothes through a regular washing cycle would kill it off. There's a Dettol laundry supplement that you can use that says that soaking clothes in it for two hours prior to washing would (almost absolutely) kill the virus but I beyond that I haven't been able to find out much about that yet and would like to know more.

CrapTVAddict · 28/02/2020 07:32

The dettol laundry liquid you can put straight in softener compartment on a wash so don't have to soak clothes beforehand to use

AmelieTaylor · 28/02/2020 07:37

@CrapTVAddict. yes you can, but that’ll only kill bacteria - for virus you need to soak the washing.

Motorina · 28/02/2020 07:37

@OneMoreWish superbly useful - thank you.

FourTeaFallOut · 28/02/2020 07:39

Looks like I was a bit dramatic about the time. 15 minutes of soaking to kill viruses.

Prepping for a pandemic...7
planningaheadtoday · 28/02/2020 07:45

@FourTeaFallOut

www.info.gov.hk/info/sars/en/useofbleach.htm

I think this method kills the virus within 10 mins of total submersion.

It's a very dilute solution but caution with non synthetic clothes. So a fleece would be a good idea for a top layer.

FourTeaFallOut · 28/02/2020 07:53

Thanks planningahead, bleach makes me wheeze so I can't use it, but it is a shit load cheaper than the Dettol liquid - so that looks like a good alternative for others.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 07:53

One thing to think about is that those who are old school/environmentally conscious and use hankies should stop doing so and make sure they use tissues. Its really important that the virus doesn't hang around.

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 07:53

Also a good excuse to get rid of DHs. I think he thinks they make him look like a gentleman. I think they make him look like he's 80 and not 49!

whereareyousleep · 28/02/2020 07:57

Will somebody please link the AIBU thread I think I might have accidentally hidden it so now I can find it and I like to be on both. Thanks

0ttoline · 28/02/2020 07:57

For dry hands - cotton gloves on over moisturiser at night works well. I think you can often get cotton gloves cheaply in pharmacies, or there are lots on ebay for a couple of quid.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 28/02/2020 07:59

Looks like pets may also be at risk and potentially face quarantine too:

The dog is being quarantined at an animal facility, the Hong Kong government said. The department strongly advised that pets of confirmed virus patients also be put under quarantine.

time.com/5792150/coronavirus-dog/

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 08:04

They're monitoring that dog closely. If it does spread via dogs too though that is very bad news.

lemonjumper · 28/02/2020 08:07

The advice on the government's page on self isolation recommends that you don't touch pets, or wash your hands before & after if you must. Animals may count as a 'surface' on which the virus survives for a time?

HasaDigaEebowai · 28/02/2020 08:09

Its worse than that lemon. They've found a dog with low levels of the virus

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