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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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FuckThisWind · 27/02/2020 19:39

Also thought the same thing re: full on beards!

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:40

@sideorderofchips

What did you search to find the hand sanitiser?

I've tried hand sanitiser, antibacterial, etc?

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Destinysdaughter · 27/02/2020 19:42

Something else there were restrictions on on Tesco website was gin, especially Tanqueray, guess all the Mumsnetters are stocking up!

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:42

I searched hand gel

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:42

www.lloydspharmacy.com/en/pure-klenz-hand-sanitiser-100ml

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:45

All the comments I've read on the Daily Mail are quite the opposite and taking the piss.

But hey....let's be honest, the average Daily Mail reader is probably in the upper risk categories so more fool them Wine

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wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:46

I saw that one but it doesn't say what ingredients it has...so no way of knowing the alcohol content...?

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sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:48

I bought it. It should be in the shop tomorrow to collect so will let you know

I'm going with its better than nothing

LightofMine · 27/02/2020 19:48

WHO announced earlier that this can still be contained, but for the UK Government it's pretty much 'Carry on as usual' even though cases are ramping up everywhere else Hmm.

The woolly advice is to self isolate for 14 days even though we know it can have a 28 day incubation period and still not everyone with symptoms is being tested anyway. There is new legislation on the detention and restrictions of people but absolutely nothing to address how some people are going to manage without any income if they are restricted or can't work, except possible SSP for some workers, and nothing to reassure people that if we are locked down or self isolating food will be made available especially for the sick, disabled or vulnerable. How many people (returning from Italy / China etc) are walking around with it in the UK absolutely oblivious or shrugging it off as a cold or are 'selfishly' aware of their risk but continuing into work as they need to pay bills? It's so worrying, I wish our Government hadn't been elected would start being a bit more forthcoming with information and reassurances Sad.

On a more lighthearted note as a regular prepper, I always keep stocked up but have just found a load of food and sauces that all expiry this month (in 2 days), so its going to a few interesting meal combinations for the next couple of days and will be a test for how creative I can be for when and if my actual stocks run down Smile.

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:50

My teen is fully into helping me prep and has helpfully told me that I need to get pot noodles

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 19:50

Spain reports 6 new cases of coronavirus in Valencia, raising the number of new cases in Spain today to 12 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 19:55

Light I agree with most of your post but no matter how silent this gov is I'm thanking my stars it's not corybn, abbot etc in charge right now.

EliK · 27/02/2020 19:59

@sideorderofchips my 7yo requested koka noodles
I really wish the government were doing more to prevent this. My in-laws are off on holiday this weekend without a care in the world that cases are creeping up where they're going.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 20:16

Has there been no word on where the second case is that was announced this morning?

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sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 20:17

Just been chatting to my mum. My mum is normally in the 'don't be daft' camp but even she is making sure she has things in and buying hand gel

Legoandloldolls · 27/02/2020 20:19

Ssehh! Does no one at the daily mail look at the paracetamol/ ibuprofen shelves when they shop? They are always empty in sainsburys!

I have swung between being freaked out and fine about it today. Lots of people now talking about it in real life so that actually made me feel better because it feels more real once others acknowledge the same thoughts.

I bought a bit more crafting things. Dh said his friend are also starting to fill up the cupboards. Glad I'm done now.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 20:20

lajornadasanluis.com.mx/nacional/decidiran-en-horas-desembarco-de-crucero-msc-el-enfermo-no-podra-bajar/ looking like possibly another cruise ship?

bellinisurge · 27/02/2020 20:22

@Destinysdaughter encouraging men to shave off their minging beards is the first piece of good news I've heard on this😂. I bloody hate beards.

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 27/02/2020 20:23

Did my online shop this evening, stocked up on everything I can think of that will last. The delivery driver will hate me when he has to carry it all up the stairs to my house Blush
Will do the same again next week

RocketQueen21 · 27/02/2020 20:24

Is this the ship Doctor John refers to in his recent video?

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 20:24

Netherlands reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 27/02/2020 20:28

Should add, I'm in the ireland, so I assume I'm ahead of the game here by starting to stock up here. I haven't heard others speak of it.
But with the first came now in NI, and that person having come through Dublin airport, the threat seems more real now.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 20:30

Has there been no word on where the second case is that was announced this morning?

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ofwarren · 27/02/2020 20:31

Nope, no confirmation of the location for the second case

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 20:31

First case in the Netherlands is in Tilburg, a city near the border with Belgium. The patient recently returned from Italy.

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